[Albion] Potter's Phenomenal Courage

[Perkino]

Despite completely agreeing with you and even with my unwavering commitment to Mr Potter, the bit that gets me into trouble is when I point out we're approaching two full years and the long term project is in pretty much exactly the same place as it was when it started, just younger, but heavily reliant on 'old' heads.


The phrase:-

'I'm gonna need a bigger contract'

springs to mind

I don't think it is in exactly the same place it just isn't complete yet. Players like Burn, Dunk, March, Bissouma, Propper are almost unrecognisable from their games under CH. Equally Potter has given game time to Sanchez, Lamptey, White, Alzate, Connolly from the academy which shows a complete change of philosophy along with players like Karbownik, Moder, Caicedo, Zeqiri all looking likely to have a big role over the next few seasons. We look like we have a good footing and are building for the future whereas 2 seasons ago we looked like we would be relegation fodder for years to come

I'd compare it to purchasing a house 100+ years old and knocking it down deciding to rebuild on the plot of land. Mid project you could look and say it's the same as the roof still leaks but when completed it will be so much better than when you purchased

 

[Stat Brother]

I don't think it is in exactly the same place it just isn't complete yet. Players like Burn, Dunk, March, Bissouma, Propper are almost unrecognisable from their games under CH. Equally Potter has given game time to Sanchez, Lamptey, White, Alzate, Connolly from the academy which shows a complete change of philosophy along with players like Karbownik, Moder, Caicedo, Zeqiri all looking likely to have a big role over the next few seasons. We look like we have a good footing and are building for the future whereas 2 seasons ago we looked like we would be relegation fodder for years to come

I'd compare it to purchasing a house 100+ years old and knocking it down deciding to rebuild on the plot of land. Mid project you could look and say it's the same as the roof still leaks but when completed it will be so much better than when you purchased

I can't really get into the discussion, for many reasons one being, as said I fundamentally agree and am only picking up on semantics.
The other and far more pressing is Swansman and Vagabond's anti Potter radar will already be beeping and I really can't be doing with their 'you're not fan enough' nonsense.


As said I'm all in on the project and there's still the possibility that this team will finish the season comfortably in phase II (the not looking over the shoulder, while hoping for other results phase).
There's also the possibility of losing 2-1 on Monday evening, to a late winner, and be staring down the barrel of relegation.


I just keep getting the feeling that in 5 years time I'll still be told that although the Albion are 4th from bottom, I shouldn't raise an eyebrow because it's a "long term project".

 

[vagabond]

i am a huge Potter fan, does he really make anymore strange decisions than what every other fan says about the manager of there club ?

I doubt it.

I bloody love watching us play now, thats the thing. Win lose or draw.

Hear hear [emoji106]

 

[vagabond]

Bloom & Barber are no fools. In 2019 when a decision was made about style of play they would've planned a long term project with the aim of "becoming a top 10 side". Dan Ashworth was brought in and integral to the transformation as he brought the technical expertise to the conversation. There would've been a clear plan and identity that all 3 felt was required to reach their aim.

For whatever reason it was decided that CH wasn't the guy to achieve that long term project and Potter was brought in. +'s being his style of play and his belief that every player can improve if coached properly meaning nobody is too young or too inexperienced. -'s being he had never managed in the premier league before or had to work with any overpaid superstars. (This resulted in a few heading out on loan and others being promoted from the academy)

The change of style has been impressive with some players who many never thought had the technical ability to adapt thriving alongside some very promising individuals. This results in individual errors and a lack of tactical awareness in some crucial moments throughout the season, things that will reduce with game time as players increase their experiences. Bloom & Barber are wise enough to know that progress will not be linear, sometimes there will be large gains and other times small gains but the long term project is always held in mind.

Potter makes some strange selections and tactical oddities, some of these pay off whilst others look bizarre. What is clear is he is still an ideal candidate to help Brighton achieve their long term project of becoming a top 10 side and in doing so will be a team who don't worry about relegation. This may be another 5 years away but the style and the philosophies he has will get us there if given time and support by the club

Well said. Unfortunate that some fans don’t grasp what a long term goal is.

 

[Stat Brother]

See what I mean.






(That'll get reported now)

 

[Perkino]

Well said. Unfortunate that some fans don’t grasp what a long term goal is.

When you compare to other clubs it is amazing the work being done behind the scenes. Several clubs are in a downward spiral and others are in firefighting mode likely to get burnt sooner or later

 

[Guinness Boy]

I just keep getting the feeling that in 5 years time I'll still be told that although the Albion are 4th from bottom, I shouldn't raise an eyebrow because it's a "long term project".

This.

The long term project has been going pretty much 10 years. Leicester meanwhile...........

(Cue streams of quote replies saying it's impossible for little old Brighton to reach Europe and what entitled fans we have. Even though that's the long term aim).

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

I can't really get into the discussion, for many reasons one being, as said I fundamentally agree and am only picking up on semantics.
The other and far more pressing is Swansman and Vagabond's anti Potter radar will already be beeping and I really can't be doing with their 'you're not fan enough' nonsense.


As said I'm all in on the project and there's still the possibility that this team will finish the season comfortably in phase II (the not looking over the shoulder, while hoping for other results phase).
There's also the possibility of losing 2-1 on Monday evening, to a late winner, and be staring down the barrel of relegation.


I just keep getting the feeling that in 5 years time I'll still be told that although the Albion are 4th from bottom, I shouldn't raise an eyebrow because it's a "long term project".

I think I am right in saying there are only 7 teams that have been in the present Premier League for 8 years or more.

If in 5 years time, our 9th season in the PL, we are still there, whether 4th from top or bottom, we would have done very well to be fair.

 

[Stat Brother]

When you compare to other clubs it is amazing the work being done behind the scenes. Several clubs are in a downward spiral and others are in firefighting mode likely to get burnt sooner or later

Come on you're just baiting me now.

We've been saying that about our northern neighbours for longer than we've been quoted 'this is a long term project'.

 

[vagabond]

See what I mean.






(That'll get reported now)

Hey it’s Mr. 60,000. What’s up?

I love how this thread triggers certain people (you mentioned me btw love).

 

[Stat Brother]

I think I am right in saying there are only 7 teams that have been in the present Premier League for 8 years or more.

If in 5 years time, our 9th season in the PL, we are still there, whether 4th from top or bottom, we would have done very well to be fair.

Hopefully if that were to happen the goal would have been reset to '4th from bottom, out of the cups early, maintain Premier League survival in April'.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Hey it’s Mr. 60,000. What’s up?

I love how this thread triggers certain people (you mentioned me btw love).

Of course, the great thing is, being able see a join date, you can work out number of posts per month.

Stat - often derided on here as a post count whore - averages 285 a month.

You've managed 322.

 

[vagabond]

Of course, the great thing is, being able see a join date, you can work out number of posts per month.

Stat - often derided on here as a post count whore - averages 285 a month.

You've managed 322.

Well if I get to 60k we can have this discussion.

I have no issue with high post counts by the way. But if someone criticises another’s number of posts and I see they have 60,000... it’s a tad hypocritical.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Hopefully if that were to happen the goal would have been reset to '4th from bottom, out of the cups early, maintain Premier League survival in April'.

It won't be what anyone wants – I am just pointing out that only 7 sides presently haven't been out of this league in the last 8 years.

For every Leicester, there are the Derby's, Blackpool's, Huddersfield's, Norwich's, Reading's, Swansea's, Wigan's, Bournemouth's, M'Boro's, Stoke's, Blackburn's, Cardiff's, QPR's, Bolton's, Barnsley's, Watford's...all within the last decade, all with hopes, dreams and aspirations.

 

[Stat Brother]

Well if I get to 60k we can have this discussion.

I have no issue with high post counts by the way. But if someone criticises another’s number of posts and I see they have 60,000... it’s a tad hypocritical.

I'm going to have to finally step in here and engage with you - so well done for that.


Can you please direct me to said criticism.

As I'm acutely self aware that seems remarkably out of character so I either need to explain myself better (fully IN character) or apologize.

 

[Perkino]

A higher placed finish in one season can cover over a lot of the cracks of the whole club. In our time in the Premier League we have seen impressive finishes from Huddersfield, Burnley & Sheffield United only for the following season to see luck level out. Also there have been suprise relegations for side who had previously been comfortable in their fights against relegation for West Brom & Stoke in 2018, Watford & Bournemouth in 2020.

I'm happier with our position than another 8 or 9 other clubs who are likely to finish below us next season

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

A higher placed finish in one season can cover over a lot of the cracks of the whole club. In our time in the Premier League we have seen impressive finishes from Huddersfield, Burnley & Sheffield United only for the following season to see luck level out. Also there have been suprise relegations for side who had previously been comfortable in their fights against relegation for West Brom & Stoke in 2018, Watford & Bournemouth in 2020.

I'm happier with our position than another 8 or 9 other clubs who are likely to finish below us next season

The Premier League is 7 Teams + 13 Guests.

You just have to aim to be a long term guest, rather than a dirty weekend on the back of collecting vouchers from a red top one.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The Premier League is 7 Teams + 13 Guests.

You just have to aim to be a long term guest, rather than a dirty weekend on the back of collecting vouchers from a red top one.

Seven?

United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton?

What of Leicester in that case? If you included them, who's dropped? Can the group ever be increased or decreased. Without Ashley would Newcastle be in it?

I have to say that analogy sums up everything I hate about the Premier League. As a human being I'd much rather have the odd exciting dirty weekend than spend a lifetime locked in a luxury hotel, only to watch those in the penthouse suites get preferential treatment on everything from pool access to mealtimes.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Seven?

United, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton?

What of Leicester in that case? If you included them, who's dropped? Can the group ever be increased or decreased. Without Ashley would Newcastle be in it?

I have to say that analogy sums up everything I hate about the Premier League. As a human being I'd much rather have the odd exciting dirty weekend than spend a lifetime locked in a luxury hotel, only to watch those in the penthouse suites get preferential treatment on everything from pool access to mealtimes.

I'm dealing in historical fact, not hypothetical futures. The PL era:

Only 7 teams of the present 20 have been in the PL for the past 8 years or more.

Only 6 teams have been ever present since its inception. Only 3 teams outside of that 6 have won it.

Outside of those 6 teams, only 12 further teams have managed a consecutive stay of 10 years or longer.

31 teams had a stay of 9 seasons or less.

Of those 31, 20 had a stay of 5 seasons or less.


I'm not sure a huge amount of fun was had on many of those weekend stays...

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm dealing in historical fact, not hypothetical futures. The PL era:

Only 7 teams of the present 20 have been in the PL for the past 8 years or more.

Statistics are odd though, aren't they? Capping that at 8 years instead of 7 rules out Leicester.

If you look at total seasons spent in the PL then Villa, Newcastle and West Ham do well.

You've picked a period to suit your narrative.