Poppies

[BadFish]

This is the fundamental point.

Some within ( currently the Muslim ) communities do not have any loyalty towards our Country, which aint a great starting point.

There are degrees of indifference towards us and whilst accepting many have fully integrated and continue their worship of their faith not blighted by hatred or bigotry, there remains parts of their communities, which offer an environment where hatred towards 'us' and our history is encouraged.

Personally I think this has engendered a more nationalistic response by many of us, which includes poppy wearing, to symbolise our patriotism and our acknowledgement of those brave kids that died so young not to even recognise their sacrifice is damning. ( however just not wearing a poppy isnt an accurate indication of anyones view ).

What does this loyalty look like? I do not agree with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Does this make me disloyal? Does this make me less British than my foreigner hater counterparts?

Is it peoples religion that makes them disagree with the war in iraq and Afghanistan? Just because some Muslims disagree, it doesn't make it a muslim issue their were hundreds of thousands of people who protested about the war and they were made up of many different types of people. The fact is that is has nothing to do with religion, race or immigration status.

 

[BadFish]

Because prior to 2001 it wasn't possible to embroider the poppies into the shirts, apparently. It's not really that sinister a stopping point. And not everyone rushes to get a poppy the second they appear.

Embroidery started around 900AD

http://historyofembroidery.blogspot.com/

 

[BadFish]

Sorry but i dont agree with a single word, if someone doesnt like us or what we do, then they should be be big enough to f*** off somewhere else, in fact we should ensure they f*** off somewhere else.

So everyone in the UK has to agree with everything the government do? Seriously ? Do you?

Or is it just immigrants that have to agree with everything the government do?

Or by 'we' do you not mean the government? if not who do you mean? angry racists?

 

[BadFish]

The problem with that idea is the phrase 'us and what we do'. Who is 'us'? The country is a free and democratic one, with a variety of opinions of the wars and which ones we should be fighting, and all sorts of dissenting opinions on all sorts of topics. "We" removed from power the government that took us into war with iraq. When "we" don't agree with that war, why should the immigrants whose country of birth was invaded? When "we" argue that our troops shouldn't be in various wars in various countries, why should immigrants be forced to stand up for them against the wishes of (a significant portion of) 'us'? When "we" are criticising the government and the country for it's poilicies, why should immigrants have to keep quiet or defend them?

Put far more eloquently than I did. This

 

[BadFish]

they shouldnt but dont do it at my expense , while you're a guest in my country.

Thankfully it is not your country. And for the most part UK muslims are not guests they have the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else. Maybe if you stopped thinking of them as "guests' (probably uninvited ones too) you would stop being so angry about them.

 

[looney]

Maybe living in leafy Sussex has warped your views on the real world?

Places like leafy sussex are the real world, considering it conforms to 90% of the population. You where in a multi-cultural ghetto. Your snide racism comes to the surface.

 

[shaun_rc]

Personally I think this has engendered a more nationalistic response by many of us, which includes poppy wearing, to symbolise our patriotism and our acknowledgement of those brave kids that died so young not to even recognise their sacrifice is damning. ( however just not wearing a poppy isnt an accurate indication of anyones view ).

Please f*** off if this is how you feel. I want to wear the poppy for its original meaning, not as a right wing pro military stance. Remembering the Indians who used the Pavilion as a military hospital, there were plenty of victims of all colours, religions, and creeds in the First World War (and second).

 

[pauli cee]

For the first year ever I bought a poppy but didn't wear it. Or rather I did wear it but then took it off before the 11th. The final straw was the EDL protestor at FIFA with a banner emblazoned with a poppy symbol but bearing the slogan 'support our troops'. The poppy is (or is supposed to be) about remembrance, not about 'supporting' the British military. I was also appalled at the appearance of giant, outsize poppies that some people are wearing. I'd never seen them before but I was at a function on Friday night at there were about a dozen of them. This too is in direct conflict with the original meaning. When the War Graves Commission was first set up it was assumed that the war cemeteries in France and Belgium would be run like English churchyards, that is individuals would be responsible for their own memorials and thus those who could afford them could have big, lavish ones whilst the poorer Tommies would have to be satisifed with a cheap wooden plaque. It was decided that all memorials would be the same size, but now we have people flaunting their, well I don't know what it is, by wearing outsize poppies as if that makes them 'better' citizens than those with standard-sized ones.

The whole combination; outsize poppies, the EDL, the pathetic row with FIFA (football shirts at this time of year never used to have poppy symbols on them) and the bullying implication that not wearing one is somehow 'un-British' has all left a nasty taste in my mouth. Sadly I don't think it's going to get better any time soon which is a crying shame.

t'will only get worse over the next commercially, propaganda filled EDL times of the coming years. respect to the dead..

 

[BigGully]

Please f*** off if this is how you feel. I want to wear the poppy for its original meaning, not as a right wing pro military stance. Remembering the Indians who used the Pavilion as a military hospital, there were plenty of victims of all colours, religions, and creeds in the First World War (and second).

Don't be such an ignorant pratt .....

Why would you interpret the word nationalistic or patriotic as something sinister or as a right wing or racist issue.

Do you know how offensive that can be to people ?

Probably not because your too busy aiming your ill advised interpretations at people that are not.

My point was in response to people that do not wish to wear a poppy purely as a statement of their indifference to those that had sacrificed so much, yes including all races and creeds that played such a critical role.

 

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[Common as Mook]

Places like leafy sussex are the real world, considering it conforms to 90% of the population. You where in a multi-cultural ghetto. Your snide racism comes to the surface.

You know nothing about me, so keep schtum you weirdo

 

[Common as Mook]

This.

 

[El Presidente]

but lets be honest if a bloke turns up with a long beard , wanting to pray five times a day and complaining about having to go to places of ill repute to entertain customers it's not going to work.

Fair comment bushy, out of interest, how is the recession hitting the brothel these days, things still ticking over?

 

[El Presidente]

You're all talking bollocks, there is only ONE man with his finger on the pulse of this binfest

 

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Fair comment bushy, out of interest, how is the recession hitting the brothel these days, things still ticking over?

All ups and downs to be honest !!

 

[looney]

You know nothing about me, so keep schtum you weirdo

I dont need to know anything about you to comment on your post fool.