Players 3-5, fans get a 1 - booing after 20 minutes.. who the **** do you think you are
Very g0od. I would give the bearded man child 7, and Stephens, the worst player on the pitch yesterday, 3.[/QUOTE
Where has your judgement gone? How could Stephens be the worst player on the pitch when we have the new Hawkins at centre back?
From where I sit, the Bissouma foul in the box looked a nailed on penalty.
Obviously not, as VAR didn't kick in and no-one's talking about it.
Anyone got any footage of it?
Very g0od. I would give the bearded man child 7, and Stephens, the worst player on the pitch yesterday, 3.[/QUOTE
Where has your judgement gone? How could Stephens be the worst player on the pitch when we have the new Hawkins at centre back?
I will own up to confirmation bias.
I was hoping the manager would start with Bissouma rather than Stevens after the Palace game. I felt that the more forward oriented trajectory that Biss brought to the game contributed to the crisper and more urgent style of play up there.
I was disappointed to see Steven reinstated. I would have been happier to have seen him come on second half with us two up, to slow the game down.
Instead we started slow and hesitatant, and Stevens did almost nothing right, even, later on in the game, having someone run up to him from behind and nick the ball of his toes, like you'd see at the circus, or on 1960s children's programme, Crackerjack (with Leslie Crowther as the opponent and Peter Glaze as hapless Stevens). I'm sorry, but I was disgusted.
I'm afraid I have directed all of my disappointment towards Stevens to the point where I can barely recall what our 25 million man did yesterday. My bad.
Ok after my pretty annoyed post yesterday about the attending fans rather infantile concept of either lynching or making statues out of the whole team, here is my actual ratings.
Ryan 4 - Too many mistakes. His indecisiveness on corners is pretty worrying as it makes defenders nervous as well.
Burn 6 - did what he does.
Dunk 5 - repaired a lot of the teams mistakes but his passing in the first half really set the tone of the game.
Webster 3 - needs to step up his game or he is going to find himself benched shortly.
Montoya 3 - so much ends with this man having a shit first touch. How the **** can you train with Barca for 12 years and still not be able to receive the ball without it rolling a couple of meters from your feet. I thought he would shine in potterball but im pretty ****ing tired of him.
Propper 5 - did ok but has a tendency of making the easy complicated.
Stephens 4 - started off ok but I feel the impatience of the fans really got to him.
Moody 6 - good on the ball as usual but struggled finding spaces
Trossard 2 - 14 touches in 45 minutes. Yes he didn't get much delivery but if you can't get the ball you need to seek new spaces which he didn't. Needs to improve his football brain.
Maupay 5 - really too high of a rating but I can't really bash him considering the lack of decent delivery.
Gross 3 - his biggest asset by far is his brain and vision so when he gets out smarter he looks very poor.
Murray 3 - is it days, weeks or months before the kid we signed from city takes his place?
Connolly 5 - pace and determination... And the usual tunnel vision.
Bissouma 6 - did a good job but also had it easier than the starters as Sheffield dropped a bit of their pressure.
Potter 10 - just kidding. Anyone rating managers on a game by game basis expose their complete lack of football understanding. Did you attend the tactics meeting before the game? Were you in the dressing room? Did you talk to him about the game plan? No. So what do you really know about his performance? What are you rating, the haircut?
And this does not only apply to Potter but all managers.
You don’t even support Brighton yet criticise the fans and people on NSC for having an opinion?
I didn’t rate the manager, but if I had, it would have been low. You don’t need to attend team meetings to see what is wrong, and by changing things so radically at half-time was almost an admission to that.
I understand you will always defend Potter, but would prefer you didn’t have a ‘pop’ at the supporters....
There were so many things wrong with yesterday, but it started on the pitch.
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That part really has nothing to do with Brighton or Potter. You could support spice girls or the nsdap for all I care, it's still hopelessly stupid to give ratings to managers and coaches on a game by game basis because you simply don't know most of their actions.
Maybe we had an excellent game plan that the players failed to deliver upon. Maybe we had a shit plan that destroyed our chances of winning. It's simply impossible to know.
Well on that basis Hyypia was a tactical genius, who no Brighton fan understood, and similarly last season they were constantly told to attack.
Sorry but that is nonsense. Yesterday, Potter got it wrong, it started with Webster’s selection against a more direct approach, and continued with the removal of natural width and making us more narrow with the substitutions.
The decisions were wrong IMO, and that’s okay, because he makes mistakes like everyone else. It doesn’t make him a bad manager, just as culpable as the 11 players on the pitch.
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I wouldn't give ratings to Hyypia or CH on a game by game basis either. Over ten games or so it's possible to achieve an understanding of the managers work and how successful it is - I wouldn't oppose mentioning the manager in ie post season ratings - but game by game, impossible and stupid since the only part of their work you can actually be sure of is the starting eleven and subs.
Those parts are surprisingly small and in themself very hard to measure unless you have all the background info about training performances, fitness etc.
But you rate players so readily?
Managers make tactical mistakes game by game as well. Yesterday was an example. As per my previous post, the subs were wrong, the selection was wrong, and if Sheff Utd (are indeed ‘good at what they do’ see GP’s pre-game press conference), we did not effectively counteract it, which is preparation and tactics.
Of course there’s a bigger goal, but that is why ‘Potter our’ threads are so stupid.
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From where I sit, the Bissouma foul in the box looked a nailed on penalty.
Obviously not, as VAR didn't kick in and no-one's talking about it.
Anyone got any footage of it?
That part really has nothing to do with Brighton or Potter. You could support spice girls or the nsdap for all I care, it's still hopelessly stupid to give ratings to managers and coaches on a game by game basis because you simply don't know most of their actions.
Maybe we had an excellent game plan that the players failed to deliver upon. Maybe we had a shit plan that destroyed our chances of winning. It's simply impossible to know.
Again, if you actually went to games you could see that it's not hopelessly stupid at all. I sit behind the home dug out but high up in the upper west stand and you get an excellent tactical view from there. Within the first five minutes it was clear our tactics were all wrong. Either Potter didn't communicate a change effectively or couldn't see that, because we just carried on with the same old shit. You need to get wide and stretch Sheffield Utd and Duffy would have been a much better choice at CB. For all those reasons Potter had a bad game just like Stephens, Webster, Montoya and Ryan had bad games. You rate those, you can rate the coach. Doesn't mean I want him out or distrust him, nor did I boo. It was just a bad day at the office.
Again, if you actually went to games you could see that it's not hopelessly stupid at all. I sit behind the home dug out but high up in the upper west stand and you get an excellent tactical view from there. Within the first five minutes it was clear our tactics were all wrong. Either Potter didn't communicate a change effectively or couldn't see that, because we just carried on with the same old shit. You need to get wide and stretch Sheffield Utd and Duffy would have been a much better choice at CB. For all those reasons Potter had a bad game just like Stephens, Webster, Montoya and Ryan had bad games. You rate those, you can rate the coach. Doesn't mean I want him out or distrust him, nor did I boo. It was just a bad day at the office.
Yes I do because I can see almost all of their actions. I can with certainty say that passing a ball over the sideline in a non pressured situation is simply bad or that making a great cross is a good action. What I can't know is if the manager told them to play desperate passes up front or if it is the players taking bad decisions.
I agree that managers make bad tactical decisions on a game by game basis, but it's impossible to know what those decisions are without knowing what they are. Yes even to me Wilder seemed to win the tactical battle yesterday but like everyone else I can't really know because I don't have the necessary information.
It's always easy to be clever after the games. In the likely event of Mousset or whatever he is called starting on top with Duffy starting for us people here would have gone apeshit about not starting Webster to deal with his pace and not lose possession to give them counters.
4's across the board except 1 each for Stephens and Webster for turning up.
Just one poor game. I've got complete trust in Potter.
Sorry I don’t agree.
The tactics were obvious for all to see, and as you say Sheff Utd acted better than we did in counteracting them. The manager has to take some responsibility. Therefore as per my first point, although I don’t do it I certainly don’t begrudge anyone who has.
As for Duffy giving the ball away, I’m fairly certain there is little or no difference to the quality of his distribution and a number of others at times. Personally, I’d rather have a defensive presence, that’s not hindsight at all as I’ve said it from the word go.
It is easy to hide behind the Duffy is inferior with the ball at his feet, when the fact is that there isn’t a lot difference between him, Dunk and Webster.
Webster hopefully will improve, but he is not strong enough, is frail aerially and the promise he initially showed is a distant memory.
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