Perpetual motion?

[Triggaaar]

splitting the water molecule and reforming it both require energy

But the molecule would have the same amount of potential energy as the atoms it splits into, so splitting it does not lose energy. The splitting process will take energy and cause heat etc, but that's a separate point.

 

[rogersix]

Good effort but when Triggger gets his teeth into something the only intention is a perpetual pedantic argument.

in this instance [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] is not being pedantic, he is tenaciously explaining repeatedly demonstrable observations,
the laws of physics, and other people don't get it. simples

 

[Triggaaar]

in this instance [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] is not being pedantic, he is tenaciously explaining repeatedly demonstrable observations,
the laws of physics, and other people don't get it. simples

Thank you. Not sure the first bit needed to be bold though

 

[rogersix]

No it has nothing to do with the machine, it's about the definition of gravity which is a force that creates potential energy. I casually called it energy but Triggar, being into pedantics, took issue with the use of the word and got his teeth stuck in.

gravity doesn't CREATE potential energy. some energy HAS to be used to move whatever matter(stuff with mass)
AGAINST the local gravitational force; be it, (as [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] rightly points out); water up a dam in the guise of a clouds forming,
or that FU(KIN BALL!

 

[Albion my Albion]

Bollox, I thought this thread was about the way Brighton wins, draws but doesn't loose.

 

[rogersix]

He felt I tried to make an argument about something he hadn't said. I just responded to one of his posts, perhaps without full regard to the context in which it was made, and it escalated from there.

I'm in Ho.. er, erm, Horsham. Yes, Horsham, that's it.

soz for my stupidity, but do you know how to get from "strawmanned" to that?

and that's a typo isn't it? i'm wandering around hove now but all i can see is this pulsating red light,
must be aliens, dropping off the proper perpetual motion machine

 

[rogersix]

I'm now going to spend 10 hours researching whether it's exactly 50/50, or slightly more one than the other

well they appear to be; let me choose my words carefully here; vaguely the same size disc in the sky, cos one is 400 times bigger and 400 times further away.
when the sun and the moon align on the same side we get our neap tides (the highest) ithangu

 

[Triggaaar]

well they appear to be; let me choose my words carefully here; vaguely the same size disc in the sky, cos one is 400 times bigger and 400 times further away.
when the sun and the moon align on the same side we get our neap tides (the highest) ithangu

Quick google tells me:
"Sun's Tidal Effect. Even though the Sun is 391 times as far away from the Earth as the Moon, its force on the Earth is about 175 times as large. Yet its tidal effect is smaller than that of the Moon because tides are caused by the difference in gravity field across the Earth."

If that's too complicated for you, try this video, created by a 2 year old:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd4BIt0yZC0

 

[rogersix]

This can't work, energy is lost as sound, heat from rolling friction in the ball, the track, and the other moving parts, and via viscous dissipation of the air that has to move out of the way of the ball. That energy comes from the kinetic energy in the ball.

A grandfather clock maintains its motion for months without being touched, that alone does not demonstrate perpetual motion. The moon has been rotating around the earth for millions of years, why don't people find that amazing as it's far closer to a perpetual motion machine than this. Even the moon loses some energy via to tidal forces and is not truly perpetual.

indeed, the gravitational pull of the earth and moon slows the spin of both

 

[Triggaaar]

Johnny Cantor: "Anthony, amazing performance today. Three goals and you look as fresh as a daisy. Where do you get so much energy?"
Anthony Knockaert: "Gravity".

 

[rogersix]

No, they're both forms of potential energy.

there's blimmin' 17 on wiki, so...

 

[Half Time Pies]

This chap has recreated the norwegian fellas machine using a old paint tin lid.

A few electromagnets and a hidden power source and Bobs your uncle!

https://youtu.be/kXmmNE5tscs

 

[rogersix]

But the molecule would have the same amount of potential energy as the atoms it splits into, so splitting it does not lose energy. The splitting process will take energy and cause heat etc, but that's a separate point.

correct me where i'm wrong; but eh? molecules have more PE, usually, cos atoms are bonded together to form molecules by energy.
AIUI, all matter is trying to turn into iron cos it's the most electrically efficient structure (outside SUPER MASSIVE black holes)

 

[rogersix]

Quick google tells me:
"Sun's Tidal Effect. Even though the Sun is 391 times as far away from the Earth as the Moon, its force on the Earth is about 175 times as large. Yet its tidal effect is smaller than that of the Moon because tides are caused by the difference in gravity field across the Earth."

If that's too complicated for you, try this video, created by a 2 year old:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd4BIt0yZC0

you can FU(K RIGHT OFF, you didn't know anything at all about neap tides, (so i've won this one)

 

[rogersix]

Johnny Cantor: "Anthony, amazing performance today. Three goals and you look as fresh as a daisy. Where do you get so much energy?"
Anthony Knockaert: "Gravity".

stop iiiiit. that would only provide POTENTIAL ENERGY. you still have to put some effort in

 

[rogersix]

This chap has recreated the norwegian fellas machine using a old paint tin lid.

A few electromagnets and a hidden power source and Bobs your uncle!

https://youtu.be/kXmmNE5tscs

that bloke's missed a trick hasn't 'e
if 'e lost the little batteries and powered his contraption wiv the norwegian fellahs machine;
we're in!!! [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] ; OVER TO YOU

 

[Papa Lazarou]

stop iiiiit. that would only provide POTENTIAL ENERGY. you still have to put some effort in

By climbing a ladder?

 

[rogersix]

By climbing a ladder?

are there racing snakes at the bottom?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

are there racing snakes at the bottom?

I guess there might be. Is this my dream or your's?

 

[rogersix]

I guess there might be. Is this my dream or your's?

i can see you from my bathroom