Paul Ince, Steve Coppell and Gareth Southgate are f***ing thick

[dougdeep]

I'm not saying that Capello isn't the best man for the job, but it is sad that there aren't more English managers in football.

 

[cjd]

Yep that woeful football that allowed him to

1992: Wins first of four Italian league titles with Milan
1994: Milan beat Barcelona 4-0 in European Cup final
1997: Wins Spanish league with Real Madrid
2001: Guides Roma to their first Scudetto for 18 years
2004: Wins Scudetto in first season with Juventus
2007: Guides Real to La Liga during his second spell

Get him out now and lets get one of the top English coaches in who have produced the dynamic world class football on display at Porstmouth, Newcastle and West Ham.

So, in the last ELEVEN years, he,s won two titles with Real Madrid in their two-team league........and two titles in the most corrupt and rigged league in Europe...!
I,m not saying he,s a bad manager, just that I think the belief from so many that he is the "second-coming" is a bit over-rated.

 

[Seasider78]

So, in the last ELEVEN years, he,s won two titles with Real Madrid in their two-team league........and two titles in the most corrupt and rigged league in Europe...!
I,m not saying he,s a bad manager, just that I think the belief from so many that he is the "second-coming" is a bit over-rated.

Totally agree with your point about the hype and I think a year into the job even Capello will be wondering why he took this on but at moment of all available managers he is by far the best candidate.

The problem with this country is the Premiershite is so hyped with the resounding calls that it is the greatest league in the world and the English players and managers seem to have an arrogance that they are world class. I can't believe people still refer to the England job as the biggest in world football!!

Of all of the names touted Capello is just the man to bring some of these players down to planet earth and get this England team back to the basics and to demonstrate the level of commitment it takes to win international football matches.

Top appointment IMO of course!!

 

[Kenhead]

Out of all the things he has won, Coppello has only won one knockout cup competition (The European Cup in '94) and that is the format that England competes in.

Make of that as you will...

Be interested to see he’s club head to head results against the other big rivals in there respective leagues are.

 

[Seasider78]

I'm not saying that Capello isn't the best man for the job, but it is sad that there aren't more English managers in football.

I think its sad there are not more English players/managers in other leagues in Europe. Would like to see a few more of the Lampards and Gerrards trying their luck in Spain or Italy rather than playing it safe in England as think it would add something to their game

 

[withdeanwombat]

Where as Big Sams and Pearces football is a wonder to watch?

Ah! But they haven't been given the job,least when I last looked. If Capello had been under the close scrutiny of the English footballing community-by,say,managing in this country,I doubt the enthusiasm would be the same.

Brighton had a manager in the Sixties who believed that if you didn't let a goal in you couldn't lose.(Though we did,and we did,and the football was excrement).

Next move will be our couple of naturalised Brazilians,and then those England tickets will be easier to get.

I'd even have preferred our mate Colin Wa**er,you know.Energy,passion,experience.

English,almost.Or Mr Hoddle who did the job itself well enough.

Well,almost anyone.But English,thanks.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

at the end of the day, currently there are NO english managers anywhere NEAR good enough to manage england........the last english manager to win the english top flight anyone? that would be howard wilkinson, which was PRE-premiership

cappello has won the italian and spanish league (atleast on par with the premiership, if not better) and is therefore far higher qualified than any english manager....infact he won a league LAST SEASON

if we're going to 'insist' on having an english feel to the england job, we should look at other non-english british managers, some of whom rank far higher than their english counterparts i'm afraid

this is an issue that won't be sorted out immediately, and has to be looked at long term, there is obviously an issue with the coaching of future managers in this country, and also that english players are technically miles behind most of mainland europe(watch england vs croatia as a fine example of the gulf in technical ability)

in the short term, the best we can hope for is that cappello can get our fairly average players working as a team, greece won the european championship with a very average team by being organised, no reason why we can't do the same

 

[Nemesis]

And now we have Paul Parker saying he wishes it had been an Englishman appointed. "Somebody like Alan Shearer with some help in the background". Is he completely stupid? It's all been covered earlier in this thread but FFS, when are these ex-professionals going to understand that the English game is in need of a huge overhaul and the fact that there isn't ONE suitable candidate to manage the national side underlines that.

And can they please stop talking about "coaching badges"? It's a profession, not the f***ing scouts. Get some coaching qualifications and experience-not badges FFS. We've got idiots in charge of the FA and idiotic ex-professionals commenting on things they clearly know sod all about.

Is it any wonder The Albion is more important to many of us?

 

[El Presidente]

I think there should be quota where managers are concerned, Every premeirship team has to appoint an Englishman as manager at least every other time

We have had Case, Gritt, Horton, Wood, Adams, Taylor, Hinshelwood, Coppell and Wendy as English managers under DK.

The manager who took us to the highest finish under DK was the non-English one!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

And now we have Paul Parker saying he wishes it had been an Englishman appointed. "Somebody like Alan Shearer with some help in the background". Is he completely stupid? It's all been covered earlier in this thread but FFS, when are these ex-professionals going to understand that the English game is in need of a huge overhaul and the fact that there isn't ONE suitable candidate to manage the national side underlines that.

And can they please stop talking about "coaching badges"? It's a profession, not the f***ing scouts. Get some coaching qualifications and experience-not badges FFS. We've got idiots in charge of the FA and idiotic ex-professionals commenting on things they clearly know sod all about.

Is it any wonder The Albion is more important to many of us?

They dont need to coach as the have passion.

 

[BensGrandad]

Maybe if Premiership Clubs (at the highest level) were in the ownership of English fans, we'd be bringing on English managers with the capabilities that are needed.

Instead, we have a philosophy that it's all about money - clubs should be owned by rich oligarchs, or - if PLCs - by corporate pension funds.

Crazy.

If the club were owned by fans we would have more going into administration. You seem obsessed with this ridiculous idea of fans owning clubs, nothing ever works by committee.


Such ownership would make no difference to the ability or lack of, of English coaches/managers.

The top clubs would still seek the best managers and players irrespectiove of nationality.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If the club were owned by fans we would have more going into administration. You seem obsessed with this ridiculous idea of fans owning clubs, nothing ever works by committee.


Such ownership would make no difference to the ability or lack of, of English coaches/managers.

The top clubs would still seek the best managers and players irrespectiove of nationality.

Word

 

[DJ Leon]

Why? For voicing regret that it's not an Englishmen taking over? How bizarre to think that's 'thick'! I don't know why it's somehow viewed as narrow-minded to want an English manager. I certainly am not narrow minded, but would prefer (as all these managers have stated) an English manager. Why? Well because we're England. There's no political statement in there, it's just that the team is England and we represent England. I understand why smaller footballing nations look outside their own shores, but not why a nation who views itself as one of the greatest on the planet does it. I know the BEST managers are foreign - after all there's more of them! (Oh and foreign is always better, of course) But that's not the point. Would we for example accept foreign players? After all the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal sign a great number of very young players every season, they may not make the first team for a while, but by the time they do they'll probably qualify for citizenship. Why not sign them up early on with a passport? Or is that going too far?

Anyway, you can imagine how much the Italians are laughing at us. Never in a million years would they appoint an Englishmen and his team to their management roles.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

if you look at the bit that chappers bolded up then its fairly obvious why, in this case, ince is being thick

saying that there are english managers who could do as good a job as capello is quite frankly,bullshit

 

[DJ Leon]

if you look at the bit that chappers bolded up then its fairly obvious why, in this case, ince is being thick

saying that there are english managers who could do as good a job as capello is quite frankly,bullshit

You are preusmably predicting great things from Cappello then?

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

not necessarily great, i didn't say that, but far better than any english coach could do


FAR better

back to capello, basically what the team needs is to be highly organised, and for players to be picked based on form, rather than reputation. capello has shown to be able to do both of these things in the past

 

[Nemesis]

Anyway, you can imagine how much the Italians are laughing at us. Never in a million years would they appoint an Englishmen and his team to their management roles.

They would if there was one that was significantly better than any native managers and they needed to qualify for the next major tournament...shows just how f***ed up English football is at the moment when all we've got are idiots suggesting Shearer or Pearce should be in the running. Because they're English.

 

[DJ Leon]

They would if there was one that was significantly better than any native managers and they needed to qualify for the next major tournament...

I doubt that's true actually. Of course, we'll only know in say 5/10 years when Lippi, Capello et al have all retired, but still I doubt that there's not been a better candidate every time they've appointed somone.

How about the French, Spanish and Dutch? Do you think they're likely to appoint foreign coaches?

 

[DJ Leon]

not necessarily great, i didn't say that, but far better than any english coach could do


FAR better

back to capello, basically what the team needs is to be highly organised, and for players to be picked based on form, rather than reputation. capello has shown to be able to do both of these things in the past

So had Sven.

Out of interest, which players do you think are picked on reputation above form?

 

[DJ Leon]

They would if there was one that was significantly better than any native managers and they needed to qualify for the next major tournament...shows just how f***ed up English football is at the moment when all we've got are idiots suggesting Shearer or Pearce should be in the running. Because they're English.

BTW I agree that sugesting Shearer / Pearce isn't clever, but only because there are better English candidates. People put them forward becasue they want an English manager. I think there's nothing wrong with that. It's based on the sames principles that guide player selection, no-ones suggesting that we pick players differently just because we don't have the best talent.