Paul Ince, Steve Coppell and Gareth Southgate are f***ing thick

[e77]

England managers have tended to come from mid ranking but successful by their standards teams such as Ramsey, Robson (both Ipswich), Greenwood (West Ham), Taylor (Watford and Aston Villa), McClaren (Middlesborough).

Keegan had a stint at Newcastle and Venables was unemployed so the only manager to come straight from a 'big' club was Revie from Leeds (who were one of the forces in the land at the time).

Maybe the problem isn't the big four having non-English managers but the next level not having English bosses.

Can't the FA and/or LMA start to have career development where they produce a long term plan for outstanding recently retired players where they send them out for work experience with lower league clubs and abroad?

 

[Seasider78]

BTW I agree that sugesting Shearer / Pearce isn't clever, but only because there are better English candidates. People put them forward becasue they want an English manager. I think there's nothing wrong with that. It's based on the sames principles that guide player selection, no-ones suggesting that we pick players differently just because we don't have the best talent.

One of the main problems with the England team is the arrogance that surrounds it. We still believe we have some god given right to be at and winning major tournaments. The attitude of the players is that they just have to turn up and play. Form players were being over looked as we kept with the usual 'jobs for the boys' approach (how else can you explain Phil Neville).

In general I would like an English manager but in this instance I would like as outsider who does not have any pre-conceptions as I believe this team need a proper shake up and a big personality who is proven at driving the best out of players at the top level. For me at the moment there is not an English candidate who fits that bill however Capello does.

 

[e77]

The advantage of Capello over Mourinho is he has only ever had a working relationship with Beckham before (who I imagine will be a squad player at best) as opposed to Jose having preconceptions of the Chelsea players in the squad.

Saying that, all managers start with a clean slate but seem to have favourites eventually.

I hope he manages to get the England side to keep hold of the ball better!

 

[mr cgull]

All I care about as an England fan is that we win and play well. Couldn't give the toss about the nationality of the manager as long as they get the best out of the team.

At the end of the day, the question that has to be answered is this - do people seriously think that a manger like Redknapp (who is admittedly doing well, fair play) is reallly more likely to win the World Cup than Cappello? I know where my money would be.

I'm all for an English manager, but they have to be good enough and have European experience. For me the choice of a top class, european experienced foreign manager is far better than a mid-table non-European experienced English manager is very simple...

 

[BensGrandad]

BTW I agree that sugesting Shearer / Pearce isn't clever, but only because there are better English candidates..

Like whom? There are many better than those two but still not good enough to be manager of England.

There isnt one single Englishman that matches Capello or gets anywhere near him. The nearest are Wenger and Ferguson and neither of them are English or wanted the job.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Like whom? There are many better than those two but still not good enough to be manager of England.

There isnt one single Englishman that matches Capello or gets anywhere near him. The nearest are Wenger and Ferguson and neither of them are English or wanted the job.

OI! You have overlooked Bruce,Jewell,Southgate,Warnock all of whom could do a job,rather than Capello who knows nothing of football in this country,doesn't speak the language,and is merely resting on the laurels of winning titles in inferior leagues.

Another Sven,and all those currently lauding him will be amongst those wanting Fabio on his bike.He'll last longer than the last bloke,but will win the same.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Another Sven,and all those currently lauding him will be amongst those wanting Fabio on his bike.He'll last longer than the last bloke,but will win the same.

Least we might be in the finals

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Capello is a far better choice than the English managers banded about on this thread.

Redknapp, Coppell, Ince, Southgate? How many league titles, how many Champions League wins?

All those who say we need someone who understands ENGLISH football - well, we are not ever going to play an ENGLISH team so I would have thought an understanding of FOREIGN football may be more important...

 

[BensGrandad]

OI! You have overlooked Bruce,Jewell,Southgate,Warnock.

What a pathetic bunch of losers that lot are. If you put their combined success into 1 man you would still only get a manager capable of winning our 2nd tier of football, (The Championship)

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

So had Sven.

Out of interest, which players do you think are picked on reputation above form?

well cappello has a fairly better pedigree than sven, but i do take your point. what i will say is that in hindsight, sven did a decent job, it was more that public expectation far outweighed how good the team actually were, and that quarter finals in two world cups, was actually a decent performance



as for reputation players- lampard to name but one (although his chelsea form is good, his england form has been dire for as long as i can remember)

 

[Captain Haddock]

And now we have Paul Parker saying he wishes it had been an Englishman appointed. "Somebody like Alan Shearer with some help in the background". Is he completely stupid? It's all been covered earlier in this thread but FFS, when are these ex-professionals going to understand that the English game is in need of a huge overhaul and the fact that there isn't ONE suitable candidate to manage the national side underlines that.

And can they please stop talking about "coaching badges"? It's a profession, not the f***ing scouts. Get some coaching qualifications and experience-not badges FFS. We've got idiots in charge of the FA and idiotic ex-professionals commenting on things they clearly know sod all about.

Is it any wonder The Albion is more important to many of us?

 

[Captain Haddock]

OI! You have overlooked Bruce,Jewell,Southgate,Warnock all of whom could do a job,rather than Capello who knows nothing of football in this country,doesn't speak the language,and is merely resting on the laurels of winning titles in inferior leagues.

Another Sven,and all those currently lauding him will be amongst those wanting Fabio on his bike.He'll last longer than the last bloke,but will win the same.

Southgate? The listing of his name discredits your argument painfully, I'm afraid.

Inferior leagues That's the type of arrogance that is our very undoing. Technically both (Italy / Spain) are superior. For pace, tempo and entertainment we edge it over Spain and beat Italy hands down.

As for the earlier point about two-team leagues, is that not the case for major nations in qualification groups and finals groups? (If not one-team leagues).

 

[Captain Haddock]

I see Ince, Coppell, Boothroyd, Bruce, Grayson, and (good grief it's painful but justifiable if he keeps it up) Dennis Wise as possible future candidates...plus no doubt a few others, but they are the only feasible suggestions and NOT for today.

If I was Ince and didn't get a job at ManUre or Liverpool in the next 4/5 years I'd be looking at jobs in Italy (he has the badges, early experience and excellent record AND speaks the lingo). He and Boothroyd are the outstanding prospects for me.

With all this debate on foreign managers, there's a justified air of gloom about the standard of English managers, but let's not forget the next generation might give us more cause for optimism.