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Parliamentary Labour Party imploding



Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
From Labour-uncut website

The A-Z of Corbsplaining

There’s been a lot of change in the Labour party of late – new people joining, new faces at the top and new language being used.

To help readers, Uncut has produced this handy guide to Corbsplaining, keeping you up to date with the party’s exciting new vocabulary.

Print it out, take it to your local CLP meeting and dazzle Labour friends and colleagues with your Corbsplaining skills.

Next stop, the NEC!

A

Assist members making their voice heard*


*Use veteran hard left organisers to corral a herd of £3 hipsters to deselect troublesome MPs.

Austerity – Any cut to public spending, of any kind, at any point, by any level of government.

Does not include cuts to military spending, which are completely different and fine.

B

Britain– Socialist utopia with a progressive majority that opposes all austerity

Apart from at general elections

Burnhamite– A malleable substance that can bend and merge to form any shape required of it before ultimately imploding.

C

Corbynite– A rare and abstruse substance that destroys the trust of voters.

Campaign Group – A group of MPs who do not campaign but do tweet a lot.

D

Democracy – A vital part of civilisation, to be protected and supported at all costs.

*Not applicable to residents of Iran, Russia, Donbass, Gaza, Lebanon*or*Venezuela.

E

Engaging in the name of peace – chillaxing with terrorists.

F

Friends– a neutral term that in no way conveys warmth or respect.

What? Those guys? Sure, we had a few beers, high-fived a few times, played a short game of ‘Holocaust: fact or fiction’ and, yes, we hugged. But honestly, I barely know them.

G

Government – An oppressive institution that corrupts any who serve in it. Something that Tories, red Tories and imperialists ignobly aspire to run.

H

Hilary Benn– “A Benn not a Bennite.” Although quite happy to work for one.

I

Israel– The country that must-not-be-named, like a geographical Voldemort.

J

JC –Initials of both Jesus Christ and Jeremy Corbyn. Coincidence?

Jeremy Corbyn– Visionary. Genius. Cardigan-wearer.

K

Kinder, gentler politics– The practice of constructive and vibrant democratic protest.

Features include shouting, “Red Tory scum,” and the generous gift of high-velocity saliva.

L

Livingstone– Combination of intellectual touchstone and jobbing recruitment consultant, finding policies and advisers for the dear leader.

M

Miliband– Previous leader of the Labour party, whose ideas were insufficiently leftist, causing the electorate to vote Conservative in protest.

Momentum– A spontaneous social movement, rising up to enact change in Britain.

Not at all run by hard left organisers to deselect Labour MPs with absolutely no connection to Militant infiltrators expelled from the Labour party a generation ago.

N

Neo-liberal– Believers in the market. Known to burn villages, eat babies and join the parliamentary Labour party in order to propagate pro-village-burning and baby-eating polices.

New politics– What to call the absence of a party policy. Allows the shadow cabinet and the leader to hold opposing views without anyone looking incoherent or shambolic. Apparently.

O

Osborne– Cunning and evil manipulator of the working class’ false consciousness. Preys on voters by talking about their concerns in a language they understand.

P

The Prime Minister– What the leader of Conservative party is called until at least 2025.

The People– People who live in North London and/or work in the public sector.

Prior diary commitment– What you organise quickly just after the Labour party press office schedule a tricky interview.

Q

people’s QE– The printing presses of the Weimar republic.

R

Red Tory– Honorific, often suffixed with the word “scum.” Applied to anyone in the Labour party who does not have a “Jez We Can” twibbon on their Twitter profile.

S

Smear –The journalistic practice of reproducing past statements by the leader and shadow chancellor, then asking them whether they still hold these views

Shadow First Secretary of State– A prestigious appointment to the frontbench. Definitely not a tokenistic afterthought.

Suit– the favoured attire of the paterno-capitalist class.

T

Tax avoidance– Magical source of unlimited funds which will be forthcoming*following a “government crackdown.”

Trident –A three-pointed spear, which will be standard issue for all British forces as a result of vital cuts to defence spending.

Twitter– The voice of the people of Britain.

U

USA– Hotbed of evil. Source of global imperialism and all human misery. Answer to the question “Who’s fault is it?” whatever the context.

V

Vladimir Putin– Heroic scourge of imperialist oppression and enabler of freedom. Generously provides Russian troops to neighbouring countries to help make sure they are enjoying their freedom enough.

W

Watsonite– an unstable magnetic substance, irresistiblyvdrawn to centres of power and liable to suddenly self-destruct without warning.

X

X – the mark voters put to the left of their chosen candidate’s name on the ballot paper. Unfortunately, there’s not much to the left of Jeremy Corbyn.

Y

Young people– They who will propel Jeremy Corybn into Number 10, thanks to their famous propensity to vote in general elections.

Z

Zero– the number of elections Labour will win before 2025.
 
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beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
But, as an outsider, I was speculating on what the party should do because it's apparent that the PLP and leadership can't continue like this, there can't be four years of war.

there cant? or some wish for there not to be years of war. i think there can and will be plenty of war, they havent even made it past their conference and back to parliament without engaging in open conflict.

what your highlighting with the example of Gapes is that many MPs may have popular local support, irrespective of what the national party membership thinks. dare i say a Southern, Essex constituency is quite removed from some northern seats. where has the surge in membership come from i wonder, the former or the latter? MPs do not owe as much loyalty to the central party as some on the left seem to think, and as Gapes' comments today highlighted, Corbyn is the last person who can demand loyalty to the leadership.

we should give it 8 months until the local elections to see how wide Corbyn's support really is, then determine who has to change.
 


Bry Nylon

Test your smoke alarm
Helpful Moderator
Jul 21, 2003
20,573
Playing snooker
Meanwhile, whilst Labour do what Labour love to do best - which is to be completely self-absorbed with internal politics - the Government gets a free ride.

Fair play to Corbyn - he's doing the one thing I thought impossible and that's making Ed Miliband appear half-competent and statesman-like.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
What you are basicaly saying is Corbyn should forget his principles and just get inline like all the other career politions and go along with the center/electability crowd...
Politics should be about standing up for everyday priniciples and democracy whilst getting everyones voice heard.
It should not be centered around appeasing the corporate and business world whilst going against everything you believe in as a leader! :wrong:

Better to go along with main stream centre opinion than keep to principles that apparently make it ok to sympathise and support organisations that kill British soldiers and civilians or share platforms with and call friends vile anti-Semitic terrorist groups.

The Trident issue and recent change in economic policy are being decided by the leader and shadow chancellor. This may be more incompetence than dictatorial but it certainly isn't democratic.

I agree with your last sentence but if that leaders beliefs are so far removed from main stream opinion/reality perhaps they should have stayed a protest focused, rebellious backbencher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy
 




Hastings gull

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
4,652
But the membership has changed considerably: Corbyn's rebellions didn't affect his popularity in the party but Gapes had a close call with deselection 12 years ago. In a way it's tricky for MPs as they have to represent two groups (who may not want the same things): their constituents and their members. Corbyn has been a good constituency MP (even Tories admit that) and has increased his majority over the years, he's also popular with his members. To be fair to Gapes, he's also been a good constituency MP but if he doesn't have the support of his own members, then it wouldn't surprise me if he was chopped.

I'm only speculating about Gapes: I don't know enough about Ilford, he may well have a lot of support there. But I am convinced that one MP will find himself deselected - maybe Gapes, maybe Mann or Hunt, or that one with the wife who's always flashing her tits, or someone else. You can't have a situation where the PLP and the leadership are so at odds and when the leader has just received such a massive mandate, it's the MPs who should change

And there is your problem. The massive mandate to which you refer stems from the left-leaning membership, but given the electorate as a whole, is a minority. The MPs know that the likes of Corbyn do not really appeal to the majority, and so resist change. Of course they cannot continue at loggerheads, but suspect that this is precisely what will happen, as it did in the 1980s.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
the other fact about that mandate is that it wasnt actually half the membership, there were 130k odd non-votes, more than the number of full party members that voted for Corbyn. tieing this back to a few points above, suggests theres a large cohort in the party that didnt like any of the leaders, or prehaps didnt bother when it looked like a Corbyn certainty. either way, not backers of the leader.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
there cant? or some wish for there not to be years of war. i think there can and will be plenty of war, they havent even made it past their conference and back to parliament without engaging in open conflict.

yes, I think the real split is between those in the party who relish this in-fighting (and this applies to those on the left and the right) and those who think that some sort of balance should be reached. As I said, I think that at least one MP will be deselected, but there won't be a wholesale purging. And I think there will still be room for some debate in the party, there are some deeply-held divisions that may not be healed easily, but what the leadership should put a stop to is the open defiance.

Those who point out that Corbyn rebelled 500 times are missing the point. Yes, he was a perpetual dissident but he wasn't a plotter against the leadership, spending his time calling for Kinnock or Blair to be ousted. Yet we have seen that from some MPs in the past month, that's what needs to be stopped.

the other fact about that mandate is that it wasnt actually half the membership, there were 130k odd non-votes, more than the number of full party members that voted for Corbyn.

Corbyn won every section of the leadership contest - he got more than 50% of registered voters and union votes and a fraction under 50% of the members votes - well ahead of his nearest challenger. That's a pretty hefty mandate
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
Corbyn won every section of the leadership contest - he got more than 50% of registered voters and union votes and a fraction under 50% of the members votes - well ahead of his nearest challenger. That's a pretty hefty mandate

of course its a substantial win, not saying otherwise. it must however shirley be something to reflect on that a third of the party membership (members and affiliates) did not vote. this isnt the apathetic general population, this is people who have become Labour supporters for purpose beyond the leadership election. those that apparently would be the canvassers and ground troops in the next few years of elections.

i cant quite reconcile being a active, paid up member of a group and then not participating in one of its most important events, especially when people were paying just to take part in that event. the fact that the lowest % support for Corbyn was in the party membership, suggests to me that some claims of the shift in the Labour party are not as sound as his supporters might like to think.
 




pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
From Labour-uncut website

The A-Z of Corbsplaining

There’s been a lot of change in the Labour party of late – new people joining, new faces at the top and new language being used.

To help readers, Uncut has produced this handy guide to Corbsplaining, keeping you up to date with the party’s exciting new vocabulary.

Print it out, take it to your local CLP meeting and dazzle Labour friends and colleagues with your Corbsplaining skills.

Next stop, the NEC!

A

Assist members making their voice heard*


*Use veteran hard left organisers to corral a herd of £3 hipsters to deselect troublesome MPs.

Austerity – Any cut to public spending, of any kind, at any point, by any level of government.

Does not include cuts to military spending, which are completely different and fine.

B

Britain– Socialist utopia with a progressive majority that opposes all austerity

Apart from at general elections

Burnhamite– A malleable substance that can bend and merge to form any shape required of it before ultimately imploding.

C

Corbynite– A rare and abstruse substance that destroys the trust of voters.

Campaign Group – A group of MPs who do not campaign but do tweet a lot.

D

Democracy – A vital part of civilisation, to be protected and supported at all costs.

*Not applicable to residents of Iran, Russia, Donbass, Gaza, Lebanon*or*Venezuela.

E

Engaging in the name of peace – chillaxing with terrorists.

F

Friends– a neutral term that in no way conveys warmth or respect.

What? Those guys? Sure, we had a few beers, high-fived a few times, played a short game of ‘Holocaust: fact or fiction’ and, yes, we hugged. But honestly, I barely know them.

G

Government – An oppressive institution that corrupts any who serve in it. Something that Tories, red Tories and imperialists ignobly aspire to run.

H

Hilary Benn– “A Benn not a Bennite.” Although quite happy to work for one.

I

Israel– The country that must-not-be-named, like a geographical Voldemort.

J

JC –Initials of both Jesus Christ and Jeremy Corbyn. Coincidence?

Jeremy Corbyn– Visionary. Genius. Cardigan-wearer.

K

Kinder, gentler politics– The practice of constructive and vibrant democratic protest.

Features include shouting, “Red Tory scum,” and the generous gift of high-velocity saliva.

L

Livingstone– Combination of intellectual touchstone and jobbing recruitment consultant, finding policies and advisers for the dear leader.

M

Miliband– Previous leader of the Labour party, whose ideas were insufficiently leftist, causing the electorate to vote Conservative in protest.

Momentum– A spontaneous social movement, rising up to enact change in Britain.

Not at all run by hard left organisers to deselect Labour MPs with absolutely no connection to Militant infiltrators expelled from the Labour party a generation ago.

N

Neo-liberal– Believers in the market. Known to burn villages, eat babies and join the parliamentary Labour party in order to propagate pro-village-burning and baby-eating polices.

New politics– What to call the absence of a party policy. Allows the shadow cabinet and the leader to hold opposing views without anyone looking incoherent or shambolic. Apparently.

O

Osborne– Cunning and evil manipulator of the working class’ false consciousness. Preys on voters by talking about their concerns in a language they understand.

P

The Prime Minister– What the leader of Conservative party is called until at least 2025.

The People– People who live in North London and/or work in the public sector.

Prior diary commitment– What you organise quickly just after the Labour party press office schedule a tricky interview.

Q

people’s QE– The printing presses of the Weimar republic.

R

Red Tory– Honorific, often suffixed with the word “scum.” Applied to anyone in the Labour party who does not have a “Jez We Can” twibbon on their Twitter profile.

S

Smear –The journalistic practice of reproducing past statements by the leader and shadow chancellor, then asking them whether they still hold these views

Shadow First Secretary of State– A prestigious appointment to the frontbench. Definitely not a tokenistic afterthought.

Suit– the favoured attire of the paterno-capitalist class.

T

Tax avoidance– Magical source of unlimited funds which will be forthcoming*following a “government crackdown.”

Trident –A three-pointed spear, which will be standard issue for all British forces as a result of vital cuts to defence spending.

Twitter– The voice of the people of Britain.

U

USA– Hotbed of evil. Source of global imperialism and all human misery. Answer to the question “Who’s fault is it?” whatever the context.

V

Vladimir Putin– Heroic scourge of imperialist oppression and enabler of freedom. Generously provides Russian troops to neighbouring countries to help make sure they are enjoying their freedom enough.

W

Watsonite– an unstable magnetic substance, irresistiblyvdrawn to centres of power and liable to suddenly self-destruct without warning.

X

X – the mark voters put to the left of their chosen candidate’s name on the ballot paper. Unfortunately, there’s not much to the left of Jeremy Corbyn.

Y

Young people– They who will propel Jeremy Corybn into Number 10, thanks to their famous propensity to vote in general elections.

Z

Zero– the number of elections Labour will win before 2025.

snigger
 




Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
yes, I think the real split is between those in the party who relish this in-fighting (and this applies to those on the left and the right) and those who think that some sort of balance should be reached. As I said, I think that at least one MP will be deselected, but there won't be a wholesale purging. And I think there will still be room for some debate in the party, there are some deeply-held divisions that may not be healed easily, but what the leadership should put a stop to is the open defiance.

Those who point out that Corbyn rebelled 500 times are missing the point. Yes, he was a perpetual dissident but he wasn't a plotter against the leadership, spending his time calling for Kinnock or Blair to be ousted. Yet we have seen that from some MPs in the past month, that's what needs to be stopped.



Corbyn won every section of the leadership contest - he got more than 50% of registered voters and union votes and a fraction under 50% of the members votes - well ahead of his nearest challenger. That's a pretty hefty mandate
You seem very, very keen on an MP being deselected.

You do know that this would just mean that they couldn't restand for labour at the next election in 4 years ? They wouldn't lose their seat now, and at worst would just become an independent MP.

So 4 years of an MP now doubling their efforts to get Corbyn out, and being a focal point for dissent. What if 50 or 60 MPs then publically came out backing the deselected one ? ???

Not a sensible move.
 
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pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
But Corbyn can counter that by having the support of the left wing BBC.

why is is the BBC were right wing when Blair was in power and are now left wing when the Tories are in power and also left wing when Blair in power and right wing when the Tories are in............or maybe left and right or right then left

perhaps people just read too much politics into Life On Earth
 


Dorset Seagull

Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
how many people and the % thereof do the "right wing" press influence directly with their vote.....

A massive amount I would say. Many of the people I come into contact on a daily basis actually get their understanding of the current state of the nation directly from what they hear or read in the media. If the press say an individual is a clown most people blindly believe it as they don't have the time to research the real facts behind any story.
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
A massive amount I would say. Many of the people I come into contact on a daily basis actually get their understanding of the current state of the nation directly from what they hear or read in the media. If the press say an individual is a clown most people blindly believe it as they don't have the time to research the real facts behind any story.

But plenty of people on here love to point out only 1 in 4 of the electorate voted Tory.......the right wing press cant have that much of an influence if its only 25%
 








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