Parliamentary Labour Party imploding

[Thunder Bolt]

I was a royalist before but after this fiasco, I'm totally not. Seriously. The idea that an unelected figurehead with no real power or use can say to an elected MP (**** or not) 'you will kneel before me so help you God.' is completely outrageous as:

A: Church & State should always be separate. Obviously.
B: You can't go threatening people, not least with the wrath of an entity that probably doesn't exist.

Where is the evidence, apart from two right wing newspapers, that this has actually happened?

 

[Hastings gull]

Typical politicians, they give people a vote, they don't like the result so throw their toys out of the pram, rebel and refuse to accept the people's democratic decision because they know better. Nothing really new here.

But of course it is not that simple, is it ?
Yes, you are right in that there was a vote and JC won fair and square -no problem, if you don't look at the bigger picture. The problem for the Labour party, as it was in the 80s, is that those who voted for JC are not necessarily representative of the traditional Labour support. The activists tend to be left wing and as they are those who attend all meetings etc, and shout the loudest, they tend to dominate various committees/local organisations etc, and thus convince themselves that they are the majority voice. More moderate Labour MPs are fully aware of this and know that the electorate at large has hitherto shown little appetite for the type of socialism advocated by the current crop in apparent charge, hence their reluctance to embrace the Corbynistas.

 

[wellquickwoody]

This'll be the same Labour party that are now the largest party in the UK and have seen an absolutely METEORIC upswing in popularity over the past few months? OK then.

I love you guys, I really do, you keep believing your own RHEOTORIC!

 

[wellquickwoody]

The activists tend to be left wing and as they are those who attend all meetings etc, and shout the loudest, they tend to dominate various committees/local organisations etc, and thus convince themselves that they are the majority voice

Trades Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC twxts) are no doubt all re-enrolled back in the Labour Party right now, displaying their vitriol and bile of anyone with ambition to better themselves rather than sit on their arse.

In Hove the Labour party have a new MP, Peter Kyle, who appears to be a genuine contender for leader in the not too distant future. I am sure he is sitting and biding his time until this lot screw up and present an opportunity to the sensible side of the party to get back to the politics of the masses. Peter Kyle for PM in 2025 anyone?

 

[beorhthelm]

Where is the evidence, apart from two right wing newspapers, that this has actually happened?

i'm confused by this: what do you think hasn't happened?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

i'm confused by this: what do you think hasn't happened?

The Mail & Telegraph were reporting that Corbyn is to be stripped of his Right Honourable title because he hasn't attended a Privy Council meeting yet, or won't bow his knee to the Queen.
There's another thread on it, which was debated yesterday.

Corbyn hasn't said that he won't kneel before the Queen, and the reason he hasn't attended a Privy Council meeting yet, is because he was on holiday. I Googled it yesterday and the only references to the Queen and her officers were in the Mail & Telegraph, whereas the only other reference was Nsc and a news source which stated the above ie. he hasn't had the title yet, let alone be stripped of it.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showt...The-Privy-Council-and-national-security/page3

 

[beorhthelm]

yep, and there i refuted the claim that matter is only being reported by two newspapers. there's evidence of the parliament website before and after "Rt Hon" being removed. he hasn't taken or arranged is oath to the Privy Council, so isnt currently eligible for the title. its widely reported his spokemans saying he had an prior appointment, and then that he was on holibobs in Scotland. so its pretty clear that it has really happened. the only question open is whether he will take the oath in presence of Queen or in absence.

 

[Gwylan]

Trades Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC twxts) are no doubt all re-enrolled back in the Labour Party right now, displaying their vitriol and bile of anyone with ambition to better themselves rather than sit on their arse.

As has been pointed out on here several times, TUSC supporters (in effect Socialist Party members) have not been encouraged to join the Labour Party or vote for Corbyn. There were probably more Tory party members than Socialist Party supporters who voted for JC

 

[coagulantwolf]

When did 'austerity' become the new political buzzword about actually living within our means?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

yep, and there i refuted the claim that matter is only being reported by two newspapers. there's evidence of the parliament website before and after "Rt Hon" being removed. he hasn't taken or arranged is oath to the Privy Council, so isnt currently eligible for the title. its widely reported his spokemans saying he had an prior appointment, and then that he was on holibobs in Scotland. so its pretty clear that it has really happened. the only question open is whether he will take the oath in presence of Queen or in absence.

Which was what I was trying to tell Pandapops who is all ready to revile the Queen for interfering in politics.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

John McDonnell Shadow Chancellor September 26th - Labour will back a charter requiring the government to deliver an overall surplus by 2019-20.

"We accept we are going to have to live within our means and we always will do - full stop." He continued: "We will support the charter. We will support the charter on the basis we are going to want to balance the book, we do want to live within our means and we will tackle the deficit."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34366569

October 13th - Mr McDonnell said he had changed his mind on parliamentary tactics but denied changing his economic policy. He said they had seen the bill as a "gimmick" so had intended to "ridicule it" by voting for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34519164

Honesty, principles, no more spin, a new dawn of open democratic debate ........

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is now no Shadow Cabinet collective responsibility in our party, no clarity on economic policy and no credible leadership.

I will use my judgement and vote according to my beliefs and conscience. But there will be no blind loyalty.

– MIKE GAPES MP, LABOUR ILFORD SOUTH

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-10-13/london-mp-reveals-open-warfare-tearing-apart-labour/

 

[alfredmizen]

John McDonnell Shadow Chancellor September 26th - Labour will back a charter requiring the government to deliver an overall surplus by 2019-20.

"We accept we are going to have to live within our means and we always will do - full stop." He continued: "We will support the charter. We will support the charter on the basis we are going to want to balance the book, we do want to live within our means and we will tackle the deficit."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34366569

October 13th - Mr McDonnell said he had changed his mind on parliamentary tactics but denied changing his economic policy. He said they had seen the bill as a "gimmick" so had intended to "ridicule it" by voting for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34519164

Honesty, principles, no more spin, a new dawn of open democratic debate ........

They are painfully deluded and naive.

 

[Bold Seagull]

When did 'austerity' become the new political buzzword about actually living within our means?

When those who need pay the price for the mistakes of those who do not.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

They are painfully deluded and naive.

Indeed. Labour are on the brink of political oblivion if this goes on much longer.

I think the saner elements of the PLP have to try and persuade Corybn to stand down asap for the good of the party and more importantly the country.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Indeed. Labour are on the brink of political oblivion if this goes on much longer.

I think the saner elements of the PLP have to try and persuade Corybn to stand down asap for the good of the party and more importantly the country.

Drama queen

 

[Gwylan]

Indeed. Labour are on the brink of political oblivion if this goes on much longer.

Yep, the party with the fastest growing membership is on the brink of oblivion.

And for those who say, look at the wider electorate, the latest opinion poll (out yesterday) has Labour cutting Tories' lead

Mike Gapes faced a deselection challenge about 12 years ago when he voted for the war in Iraq - he's a prime candidate for the boot. He and John Mann must be on thin ice

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Drama queen

Did I read somewhere you actually voted for him ? If yes would you repeat that choice now the inevitable shambles has ensued ?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Meanwhile....somewhere in Downing St. our PM does a u-turn on it's Saudi prison deal....perhaps they might consider not bribing them to purchase our weapons next....or not....

maybe just support them on the UN Human Rights Council instead....

 

[Gwylan]

Meanwhile....somewhere in Downing St. our PM does a u-turn on it's Saudi prison deal....perhaps they might consider not bribing them to purchase our weapons next....or not....

Funnily enough, the Mail and the Telegraph aren't reporting the "shambles" of this u-turn. It's way, way down the page on the Mail home page