[Politics] Our next prime minister BBC 1

[Motogull]

Seeing as how Johnson's barnet is being spoken about, it makes wonder whether his haircutter has got Parkinson's.

 

[clapham_gull]

Churchillian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLcCZjDoWTQ

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Is this what is known as the politics of envy ? .Food banks have been around from about 2009 i think mainly because of the Bank crisis .and there has always been a lot of homeless in Brighton hard to believe even under Labour .

A good political answer ( I am sure there are people on here who are wannabe MP's and practise there replies)
But why are there so many more food banks used by so many people, people in work, people with young kids to feed, and why is there a homeless person in nearly every doorway and the parks have more tents than Glastonbury.
Food banks have been around for a while, homelessness has been around for decades, but nowhere near on the scale it is today.
Or as Theresa May said, it's complicated, er no it's not, we all know why, but certain people who support a certain party as if it's their own child just won't admit it.
It's the Tory government since Cameron got in with their f**k the poor/disabled/children austerity policies that was a choice not a necessity or at least not on the grand scale they have implemented it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Is this what is known as the politics of envy ?

No, it's a failure of trickle down economics, the policy started in the 80s that has failed.

Tax cuts and incentives for the rich and entrepreneurial (all well meaning by the way) were supposed to create reasonable well paid jobs so there was less reliance on the state.

Most were supposed to be "brought up".

However, no-one really predicted the effect of Globalisation and riches simply staying in the pockets of the rich.

Those right of centre policies were genuinely trying to make society "fairer" by increasing numbers of middle class home owners, the very people who vote Tory.

Unfortunately, the gap between rich and poor got larger and the poor became more reliant on the state.

It failed.

It's incredulous that those on the right wing of the Tory party (Rees Mogg, Raab) want to try the same thing again. To them Thatcher was "too left wing".

 

[Flex Your Head]

No, it's a failure of trickle down economics, the policy started in the 80s that has failed.

Tax cuts and incentives for the rich and entrepreneurial (all well meaning by the way) were supposed to create reasonable well paid jobs so there was less reliance on the state.

Most were supposed to be "brought up".

However, no-one really predicted the effect of Globalisation and riches simply staying in the pockets of the rich.

Those right of centre policies were genuinely trying to make society "fairer" by increasing numbers of middle class home owners, the very people who vote Tory.

Unfortunately, the gap between rich and poor got larger and the poor became more reliant on the state.

It failed.

It's incredulous that those on the right wing of the Tory party (Rees Mogg, Raab) want to try the same thing again. To them Thatcher was "too left wing".

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm sure you are all aware now that

1) The picture in the Sussex countryside isn't a recent picture. or his hair has magically grown overnight.

2) It was rushed out in panic, his PR team were desperately ringing round the newspapers on Sunday to see if #sofagate had died down.

3) Refused a number of times today to answer WHEN the picture was taken. Suggested the newspapers "found it" on the internet.

4) Used the "private life" excuse again not to answer the question, irrespective of the fact HIS team supplied the private photograph to a national newspaper. So much for "protecting" family members.

5) The Mail was quite happy to go along with the ruse.

Prime Minister in waiting.

 

[nicko31]

I'm sure you are all aware now that

1) The picture in the Sussex countryside isn't a recent picture. or his hair has magically grown overnight.

2) It was rushed out in panic, his PR team were desperately ringing round the newspapers on Sunday to see if #sofagate had died down.

3) Refused a number of times today to answer WHEN the picture was taken. Suggested the newspapers "found it" on the internet.

4) Used the "private life" excuse again not to answer the question, irrespective of the fact HIS team supplied the private photograph to a national newspaper. So much for "protecting" family members.

5) The Mail was quite happy to go along with the ruse.

Prime Minister in waiting.

The Tory members don't care this is a personality cult. Ultimately, this lie confirms Boris's true disingenuous character

 

[nicko31]

So 1 in 4 people in the UK says no deal is their preferred option.

Boris campaigning in September in a GE under the banner in no deal. The Tory racist vote will be firmed up, centre ground likely to run a mile

GO BORIS!!

 

[beorhthelm]

No, it's a failure of trickle down economics, the policy started in the 80s that has failed.

Tax cuts and incentives for the rich and entrepreneurial (all well meaning by the way) were supposed to create reasonable well paid jobs so there was less reliance on the state.

Most were supposed to be "brought up".

However, no-one really predicted the effect of Globalisation and riches simply staying in the pockets of the rich.

Those right of centre policies were genuinely trying to make society "fairer" by increasing numbers of middle class home owners, the very people who vote Tory.

Unfortunately, the gap between rich and poor got larger and the poor became more reliant on the state.

It failed.

It's incredulous that those on the right wing of the Tory party (Rees Mogg, Raab) want to try the same thing again. To them Thatcher was "too left wing".

this suggest these problems dont exist where supply side policies where not in vogue. since they are problems across Europe on similar scale, we can conclude this is not a cause.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Is this what is known as the politics of envy ? .Food banks have been around from about 2009 i think mainly because of the Bank crisis .and there has always been a lot of homeless in Brighton hard to believe even under Labour .

If the 'politics of envy' describes a process by which, through the exercise of a democratic vote, the country decided to redistribute a slice of the vast (and often inherited) wealth of some to the increasing number of working families in poverty...…………. then it gets a thumbs up from me.

 

[Ernest]

I’ve said for a long time no matter what Johnson does it doesn’t matter. He could take a large shit in the Queens mouth and it would be ‘isn’t that Boris a card, just what we need to negotiate Brexit’.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I’ve said for a long time no matter what Johnson does it doesn’t matter. He could take a large shit in the Queens mouth and it would be ‘isn’t that Boris a card, just what we need to negotiate Brexit’.

Well he certainly is a four letter word beginning with 'c'.

 

[nicko31]

I’ve said for a long time no matter what Johnson does it doesn’t matter. He could take a large shit in the Queens mouth and it would be ‘isn’t that Boris a card, just what we need to negotiate Brexit’.

The dinosaur club will be team Boris whatever, our next PM. But for how long?

 

[Gwylan]

this suggest these problems dont exist where supply side policies where not in vogue. since they are problems across Europe on similar scale, we can conclude this is not a cause.

That's a completely fallacious argument. It's like comparing two football teams, one of which is on a run of 10-9 defeats and one on a run of 0-1 defeats, looking at the first, and saying that the way to get out this run of one-goal defeats is to tighten up defences - that wouldn't make the second team score more goals.

Each country's economic situation is different, just because an economic effect doesn't apply in all countries, it doesn't mean to say that it doesn't apply in one. As Tolstoy could have said - all thriving economies are alike but all troubled economies are troubled in their own way

 

[clapham_gull]

The dinosaur club will be team Boris whatever, our next PM. But for how long?

The Queen asks "what's for dessert ?" and all hell breaks loose.

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[pb21]

The Tory members don't care this is a personality cult. Ultimately, this lie confirms Boris's true disingenuous character

I think this can largely explained with a read of this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Freedom

Summarised here:

http://journalpsyche.org/tag/eric-fromms-personality-theory/

Humans, according to Fromm, actually try to escape from this freedom through the following ways:

Authoritarianism. Freedom, for all its promise of excitement, is also a lonely prospect; true freedom is associated with having no commitments, and nothing to lose—it is marked by a profound separateness. It is perhaps unsurprising, then, that we seek to escape this freedom by fusing ourselves with others. One of the more primitive ways in which we do this is by becoming a part of an authoritarian system, either by submitting to it (joining an existing structure) or by becoming authoritarian (applying structure to others). Regardless of your chosen method, the result is the same: you escape your separate identity.
Fromm used the terms masochism and sadism to denote the extreme versions of authoritarianism, and observed that the sadist, no matter his apparent power, feels as compelled to act out his role as the masochist, and is thus not free to choose his actions.

Authoritarianism is by no means limited to dictatorships and other extreme examples, however; mild versions of it are found in many places—think of the relationship between students and professors, for instance: Students seek structure, and the professor adheres to his notes. As harmless and natural as this interaction may seem, for the students, it’s a means to avoid taking any responsibility for their learning, and for the professor, it’s a way of eschewing the real, challenging, and perhaps controversial issues of his field.

Destructiveness. Authoritarians respond to a painful existence by effectively erasing themselves via the systems they inhabit; destroyers, on the other hand, try to erase the world around them so it cannot cause pain. Many seemingly random acts of brutality, vandalism, humiliation, crime, terrorism, and so on, can be accounted for by this manner of escape from freedom.

How this relates to these events:

https://www.salon.com/2017/02/25/wi...scape-from-freedom-erich-fromm-saw-it-coming/

So yes in a way a personality cult. People are submitting themselves.

If the economic, social and political conditions on which the whole process of human individuation depends, do not offer a basis for the realization of individuality … while at the same time people have lost those ties which gave them security, this lag makes freedom an unbearable burden. It becomes identical with doubt, with a kind of life which lacks meaning and direction. Powerful tendencies arise to escape from this kind of freedom into submission or some kind of relationship to man and the world which promises relief from uncertainty, even if it deprives the individual of his freedom.

 

[Nobby]

You just reaffirm my original thought you are an idiot. When you can post something that shows you understand what Marxism is and how Corbyn is not a Marxist then you can interact with me until then I forbid you to quote me

Lol

 

[Nobby]

Well, I certainly hope that the buffoon doesn't get the vote, that's for sure, but we'll have to agree to disagree on 'those two.'
Not all Etonians are buffoons, thankfully!

Really. Name one that isn’t

 

[Nobby]

someone following the socio-economic philosophy of Marx, to replace capitalism and control the means of production through a workers revolution. and some stuff about materialism.

would you agree they are or are not Marxists?

You just googled that didn’t you

 

[Gwylan]

Really. Name one that isn’t

George Orwell