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beorhthelm

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What policies of Labour are Marxist ???

never mind current policy, McDonnell is a self confessed Marxist, and Corbyn is at very least sympathetic to that philosophy. and that is what Labour should be about isnt it, bring about socialist revolution to place control of the means of production with the proletariat?
 


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never mind current policy, McDonnell is a self confessed Marxist, and Corbyn is at very least sympathetic to that philosophy. and that is what Labour should be about isnt it, bring about socialist revolution to place control of the means of production with the proletariat?

Extract from Labour's 2017 Manifesto:

Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
 




BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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Extract from Labour's 2017 Manifesto:

Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Yes, it all sounds so reasonable doesn't it!
If so, why do so many in this country believe that Corbyn and McDonnell are not to be trusted with the levers of power?
 




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Extract from Labour's 2017 Manifesto:

Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Sounds like a statement from the the old Soviet union mixed in with Labour
regards
DR
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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Extract from Labour's 2017 Manifesto:

Labour understands that the creation of wealth is a collective endeavour between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government. Each contributes and each must share fairly in the rewards.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

fair share of their contribution, or of the produce? either way, the socialist ideals are there, im not sure why any fans of Mr Corbyn and mr McDonnell would want to deny their political philosophy.
 








beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
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You haven’t answered the question on what policies are Marxist. That is pathetic

and you are evading the point they are Marxist-Socialists - would you agree they are?
 


BLOCK F

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You haven’t answered the question on what policies are Marxist. That is pathetic

Ernest, I said in my post, 'the two Marxists'.
I am sure you agree that is a pretty reasonable description of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Indeed, as Beorhthelm has pointed out, McDonnell is a self confessed Marxist and Corbyn, is, I believe, an admirer.
As far as Marxist policies are concerned, I understand Marxism is a philosophy, so perhaps their political aims are based on his philosophy and all that goes with it.
You are far more of an expert on far left politics than I am, so perhaps you can answer your own question.
I just see C&M as two far left socialist idealogues and Marxist admirers, with whom the economy and security of this country would be put in substantial peril.
 
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ManOfSussex

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and you are evading the point they are Marxist-Socialists - would you agree they are?

Whether they're just social democrats in the Scandinavian sense of things, or actually full on Marxist/socialist, terrorist sympathising extremists etc, the fact is if Corbyn and McDonnell end up neighbours on Downing Street, you and a good many others will need to have a long, hard look at yourselves in the mirror and, in the words of Jeremy Hunt - 'man up' - and accept your responsibility like all other leave voters in setting off the chain of events that ended up putting them there, because Corbyn wouldn't even be leader of the Labour Party now had remain won over 3 years ago. It's why if it happens I will join in with the national outbreak of incontinence that will occur in the form of mass bed-wetting by pissing myself laughing.
 






Ernest

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Nov 8, 2003
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Ernest, I said in my post, 'the two Marxists'.
I am sure you agree that is a pretty reasonable description of Corbyn and McDonnell.
Indeed, as Beorhthelm has pointed out, McDonnell is a self confessed Marxist and Corbyn, is, I believe, an admirer.
As far as Marxist policies are concerned, I understand Marxism is a philosophy, so perhaps their political aims are based on his philosophy and all that goes with it.
You are far more of an expert on far left politics than I am, so perhaps you can answer your own question.
I just see C&M as two far left socialist idealogues and Marxist admirers, with whom the economy and security of this country would be put in substantial peril.

You just reaffirm my original thought you are an idiot. When you can post something that shows you understand what Marxism is and how Corbyn is not a Marxist then you can interact with me until then I forbid you to quote me
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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To be a Marxist you just have to subscribe to the theory of the material dialectic, which states that human history runs in phases until someone decides to overthrow the previous lot, at which point a new order is established. As a means of looking at social history it's actually not bad (for example the old agricultural serfdom was overthrown by the industrial revolution, whereupon previously poor men became the owners of the means of production).
 


BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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Whether they're just social democrats in the Scandinavian sense of things, or actually full on Marxist/socialist, terrorist sympathising extremists etc, the fact is if Corbyn and McDonnell end up neighbours on Downing Street, you and a good many others will need to have a long, hard look at yourselves in the mirror and, in the words of Jeremy Hunt - 'man up' - and accept your responsibility like all other leave voters in setting off the chain of events that ended up putting them there, because Corbyn wouldn't even be leader of the Labour Party now had remain won over 3 years ago. It's why if it happens I will join in with the national outbreak of incontinence that will occur in the form of mass bed-wetting by pissing myself laughing.

Hey, Sussex Man,
not all of us bods who couldn't countenance a Corbyn Government voted leave; I voted to remain, and indeed, in the first referendum, when God was a boy, voted to join.
Well, I wonder how long your pissing with laughter would really last if those two did get into power.
I hope we never find out.
 




BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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You just reaffirm my original thought you are an idiot. When you can post something that shows you understand what Marxism is and how Corbyn is not a Marxist then you can interact with me until then I forbid you to quote me


Oh Ernest, stop being such a t--t.
You forbid me to quote you? How authoritarian of you.
Pee off!
 


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