Osama Anniversary - Poll and debate

[User removed 4]

I take your point bushy, but the enemy here is not Kumquat and the likes. It is the sort of prick who thinks it is a good idea to send our troops into stupid wars that are either illegal or unwinnable.

Oh I know simmo , but i find it truly terrifying that people feel more for foreigners than their own troops , i dont know what has caused it , and i certainly dont think its a majority, but enough of a minority to be a worry, perhaps it would change were the country ever art war again , who knows ? And to use the analogy of the russians is a bit of a misnomer , the opposition to russian occupation was vastly larger and more widespread , and as we all know they were being funded , equipped and trained by the west, which isnt the case now , the man in the street in afghan hasnt a great deal of loyalty to the taliban , nor has he to ISAF forces, but there isnt the widespread antipathy that there was to the russians.

 

[Common as Mook]

Oh I know simmo , but i find it truly terrifying that people feel more for foreigners than their own troops , i dont know what has caused it , and i certainly dont think its a majority, but enough of a minority to be a worry, perhaps it would change were the country ever art war again , who knows ? And to use the analogy of the russians is a bit of a misnomer , the opposition to russian occupation was vastly larger and more widespread , and as we all know they were being funded , equipped and trained by the west, which isnt the case now , the man in the street in afghan hasnt a great deal of loyalty to the taliban , nor has he to ISAF forces, but there isnt the widespread antipathy that there was to the russians.

He didn't say "more" though did he? He said equally.

 

[User removed 4]

He didn't say "more" though did he? He said equally.

Yes he did , or he wouldnt have posted this in reply to my question of whether he did , " Sorry, yes I meant "more" ", even equal is wrong in my book , i come from a culture of loyalty to your own first and foremost.

 

[Simster]

It would be a start if they knew what the objective actually was.

Quite.

Oh I know simmo , but i find it truly terrifying that people feel more for foreigners than their own troops , i dont know what has caused it , and i certainly dont think its a majority, but enough of a minority to be a worry, perhaps it would change were the country ever art war again , who knows ? And to use the analogy of the russians is a bit of a misnomer , the opposition to russian occupation was vastly larger and more widespread , and as we all know they were being funded , equipped and trained by the west, which isnt the case now , the man in the street in afghan hasnt a great deal of loyalty to the taliban , nor has he to ISAF forces, but there isnt the widespread antipathy that there was to the russians.

You are being ridiculous. It's not a worry and it's not terrifying. It's just we look like war mongerers to a lot of people, including some British people.

 

[User removed 4]

Quite.

You are being ridiculous. It's not a worry and it's not terrifying. It's just we look like war mongerers to a lot of people, including some British people.

i disagree.........

 

[El Presidente]

i find it truly terrifying that people feel more for foreigners than their own troops

To be fair bushy, I can't find a single person saying that on this or any other thread.

 

[El Presidente]

I find it funny that people consider IED's unfair, but Tomahawk missiles fired from submarines miles away, and hellfire missiles from pilotless drones as couragous soldering.
Plus, the Worthing lad wasnt killed by IED, he was killed by gunshot.

Do you mean funny ha-ha, or funny peculiar?

 

[daveinprague]

Funny peculiar as its hypocritical.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

My take on this is Dave meant peculiar and was not ridiculing our troops. Bushy is very passionate about this subject so I think they both have valid points and no need to fall out over it.

 

[User removed 4]

To be fair bushy, I can't find a single person saying that on this or any other thread.

Kumquat
posted that he felt more for dead iraqi civilians than he did for wounded or dead british soldiers , stating that at least british soldiers had a choice in the matter, pretty unequivocal statement as far as i can make out, whilst i deplore any loss of life there , i certainly feel more for our troops than i do for foreigners........... how very old fashioned of me.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Where's James Bond when you need him?

Seriously though it's not the soldiers fault out there doing their duty who are in the wrong but glory hunting politicians and foreign policy but every death leaves behind a grieving family be they Afghan,British,American or NATO troops,mothers/fathers/sisters,sons/daughters are left with a loss as the nation....but has anybody got an answer to Global terrorism....

 

[TheJasperCo]

Before 9/11 we had the Cold War, Falklands, the IRA, ETA, rogue terrorists (McVeigh, Unabomber...) and trouble in Palestine.

Now in the past decade we have had wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Al Qaeda, a Middle East uprising, rogue terrorists, and continuing trouble in Palestine.

The world is as unstable now as it always has been. On a personal level, you are now probably more likely to get mugged or assaulted on the High Street as you were 10 years ago, so depending on what perspective you look at it, peace is far from reality. The death of bin Laden was progress, because we've got hold of invaluable intelligence from Al Qaeda, but there's still a long way to go.

The point is, we're not too scared to leave our homes, so obviously we don't feel in imminent peril yet. Just my two pence.

 

[public school boy]

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[Kumquat]

Whatever you meant , I still find it sad , and pretty frightening to be honest , in a world that is evermore unsure and potentially threatening, the fact that you feel more for foreigners than your own i find terrible , do you even consider british forces " your own " ? I should add that Iraqi deaths also sadden me , just not like british ones, unfortunately i think the luxury afforded to western liberals of being a "citzen of the world" who sees everyone as a fellow citizen , will be brutally exposed as a pile of bollocks if there is ever large scale conflict again, which is highly probable if you look at the seismic shifts eastwards of power and capital.

You're entitled to your opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree. I do agree that there is likely to be large scale conflict again and about the shift of power and capital. On the latter though it's been firmly with us (the west) for a long time so not sure we can complain about that too much. But on your other point, iraqi deaths matter as much to me as british deaths. The point I was making which you didn't address was the one Simster made above. Innocent citizens in Iraq died because we chose to fight an illegal and unnecessary war. I have much more sympathy for them than I do for British soldiers who chose to fight that war, however sad the deaths of british soldiers were.

 

[User removed 4]

Yeah yeah Bushy... I see your point entirely.....

'I was in the Guards....he was in the Guards...be respectful to me and my mourning for somebody killed 20 years after I left the regiment'
It was clear what I was laughing at Bushy...you chose to take the route you did.

I thought I'd bounce this as WE (the Grenadier Guards) lost another one yesterday, I never knew him or met him, but i'm sat here gutted , bit of a lump in my throat, no disrespect to my mate smudge or any of the other navy boys on here , but I refer to the part of your post I highlighted , it just proves that never having served in a unit with the esprit de corps of an infantry battalion or similar, you'll NEVER understand why .

 

[daveinprague]

You are a civilian. Get used to it. Your mourning as a civilian is no less mourning....nor is anybody elses. You are disrespecting other services even if you think you are not. Again, more about you than the fallen, even though I suspect thats not your intention, but thats how you come across.

 

[User removed 4]

You are a civilian. Get used to it. Your mourning as a civilian is no less mourning....nor is anybody elses. You are disrespecting other services even if you think you are not. Again, more about you than the fallen.

This illustrates EVERYTHING you dont understand, and never will,you've never been part of something like that, you never truly leave the guards, the same probably goes for other regiments as well.

 

[daveinprague]

Oh I understand Bushy. Reflected glory and all that eh.

Probably? goes for other regiments?... blimey.

Anyway, this civilian regrets this young mans loss of life. For him and his family. Not me.

 

[User removed 4]

Oh I understand Bushy. Reflected glory and all that eh.Probably? goes for other regiments?... blimey.

Anyway, this civilian regrets this young mans loss of life. For him and his family. Not me.

Do f*** off............

 

[daveinprague]

Ah, the language of memorium.

Again, I regret this young mans loss of life. For him and his family. Not me.

Please stop using these men and womens deaths and injuries to promote your sensibilities, and FORMER career.

Its not about YOU. Its about the young man who lost his life.