[Misc] Nottingham murders

[The Clamp]

He’s off the streets, hopefully permanently.

The best and only realistic outcome for all concerned.

Whoever is making the decision to slash mental health services also has blood on their hands.

 

[sydney]

Whatever the subject of the thread, you can always depend on NSC's favourite immigrant arriving to tell us it's all the fault of immigrants

and you will flatly deny what is as plain as day , from your leafy country hamlet.

 

[sydney]

He’s off the streets, hopefully permanently.

The best and only realistic outcome for all concerned.

Whoever is making the decision to slash mental health services also has blood on their hands.

how was this threat supposed to have been identified ..... if a person just wakes up and thinks " f@@k it i'm gonna kill some people today " particularly if the motive is anger , despair , race , politics or religion.

people do kit all over the world just about every day now , how are these "threats " supposed to be identified and how do you treat them , the country is virtually bankrupt , plenty of private money but the public pot is empty according to many sources , genuine question mate , we know this is a very emotional subject , Broken Britain appears to be about right...

 

[Triggaaar]

I could go on. These aren't the comments of Barnaby's "why family members don't sit on juries" mother but of the trial judge. But I'm sure you are capable of reading the Judge's sentencing remarks for yourself then come back to me and tell me that this wasn't a pre-planned, pre-meditated attack.

So instead of relying on what a mother has said, you want to go with what the officials in the case have said. And they have said it was manslaughter, not murder.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'll be honest, I always thought Manslaughter was where you intended to hurt someone but not necessarily their death.

I then watched The Jury on channel where they re-created a trial and saw if two different juries come to the same conclusion. The case they re-enacted was a real one and it was a man who killed his wife in a fit of rage and admitted it, however the question was 'is it murder or manslaughter'

Manslaughter being 'a loss of control'.

I never realised.

Manslaughter can also be when you don't want anyone to get hurt, but you're negligent in providing adequate safety to someone who dies by accident.

 

[Triggaaar]

In the Nottingham case, the jury was never given the opportunity to bring in a guilty verdict for murder. They could have been but the CPS saw fit to deny the jury that option. Why?

Because the experts decided that a murder conviction was not appropriate for the defendant.

The defence could have introduced their experts as witnesses for the defence and let the jury make up their own minds. What is the point of jury trials if the prosecution and defence stich-up the charge between them and never give the opportunity to the "twelve good persons and true" to consider the most serious of charges?

Because as shown by 'The Jury', juries consisting of people like you, can't be trusted to understand the law.

 

[drew]

how was this threat supposed to have been identified ..... if a person just wakes up and thinks " f@@k it i'm gonna kill some people today " particularly if the motive is anger , despair , race , politics or religion.

people do kit all over the world just about every day now , how are these "threats " supposed to be identified and how do you treat them , the country is virtually bankrupt , plenty of private money but the public pot is empty according to many sources , genuine question mate , we know this is a very emotional subject , Broken Britain appears to be about right...

Because he didn't just wake up on that day as a paranoid schizophrenic. He already been diagnosed as that and had even admitted prior to the day that he had stopped taking his medication.

You seem to be conflating other murders under different circumstances with the subject matter of this thread.

 

[The Clamp]

how was this threat supposed to have been identified ..... if a person just wakes up and thinks " f@@k it i'm gonna kill some people today " particularly if the motive is anger , despair , race , politics or religion.

people do kit all over the world just about every day now , how are these "threats " supposed to be identified and how do you treat them , the country is virtually bankrupt , plenty of private money but the public pot is empty according to many sources , genuine question mate , we know this is a very emotional subject , Broken Britain appears to be about right...

I think it’s a very complex issue with manifold aspects I, or indeed the average person will simply not fully understand.

I guess that’s why in such court cases they have expert witnesses who can explain these things to the jury in terms they can comprehend.

I’ll say one thing I’m sure of, I’m glad I wasn’t on that jury.

 

[sydney]

Because he didn't just wake up on that day as a paranoid schizophrenic. He already been diagnosed as that and had even admitted prior to the day that he had stopped taking his medication.

You seem to be conflating other murders under different circumstances with the subject matter of this thread.

there is no answer to this is there ...?? he stopped taking meds , obviously not monitored , obviously a funding issue according to some but then there are many PS people who don't have the urge to randomly kill strangers ......i suppose we file it in wtf do we do about it , RiP to those who perished that day...