[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Cotton Socks]

So which Reform policy is the one that does it for you ?

Farage is the only one that is stating the truth about what is happening due to Globalisation. Starmer has got something to do with the World Economic Forum and something about the world being run by the rich. 1 in 30 people in the UK are immigrants. Farage also won't lead us into war with Putin. Farage is right that the west caused Russia to invade Ukraine as NATO ignored the Warsaw pact & the West has swallowed up the old Soviet Union. Starmer will lead us into war. Isn't it weird that everyone opened up to everyone at the same time, Australia, New Zealand etc.... this is what I've heard today from someone very intelligent.

I've already had the immigration argument with them before & said about students & dependents adding to the figures etc & the fact that people are getting Visas to prop up the NHS etc. As they bought up Australia today I pointed out that Australia is a very difficult place to migrate to, so haven't opened up to everyone at all & received some random response that Australians have real difficulty getting into this country as well. I wasn't sure where they were going with that argument?
So I switched to asking what economic policies Reform has that will help everyday people, pointing out that Farage is part of the rich elite, that went to private school & is a millionaire who made his money on the stock market. Response... all politicians promise to help everyday people and nothing changes (they didn't see the irony in what they said).
I moved onto the NHS & that Farage is giving heavy hints that he will privatise it. Response... he's not going to get into power, so it won't happen.
Farage wants to leave the ECHR that we helped set up, so what's going to happen to your kids if we leave without any guarantee that the same workers rights etc etc will be enshrined into UK Law? Response... Starmer is going to take us into war anyway, that's why Sunak called the election as he doesn't want to be the one to do it (they may have a point with that) but they didn't answer the question.

Asking them for actual evidence I was met with 'I mainly watch podcasts but something (I can't remember what it was) was published in The Independent (I suspect that may have been the 1 in 30 thing)'. I stopped the conversation as they were speaking over me anyway and said we'd have to agree to disagree.
What spins me out the most is that they used to vote Labour, then went to the Greens & now are going to vote for the Reform party. It's bizarre!!

 

[Guinness Boy]

No from a work perspective we don’t. That’s a really parochial view, one I would expect from someone doing a blue collar job who has no idea of the multinational aspect to large sectors of the workforce now nor how much business is already done on video conferencing platforms and emails. ‘As a Country’ we need to be productive and engage with our international trade and industry partners overseas and also work to reduce our carbon footprint, both domestically and globally.

I frequently attend virtual work conferences and seminars with people as far away as Kazakstan, Iran, Japan and all over Europe. My daily work often involves communicating with our offices in Scotland and Wales. I worked from home all through the pandemic and can do so, just as productively now but choose not to as I prefer to separate my home-life from work life and also enjoy being in a shared office environment but that’s a personal choice - many of my colleagues work from home 75% of the time. We simply wood not be able to do the work we do if we had to rely on face to face contact.

I agree the heart of small town high streets are apparently dying but you can thank the technological age for that - (and not helped by the fiasco the Tories have made of the economy) - thousands of post offices, banks and retail outlets gone and everyone moans about it in one instant then “click” in the next, another online purchase completed, another app downloaded.

However, that does not have to the end of the story for our town centres - cafés, restaurants and bars, coffee shops, drop in community hubs, interesting charity shops and street markets can fill the vacuum that’s been left by the retail trade and out of area supermarkets. It’s up to Councils but investment in green urban spaces, attractive street furniture in pedestrianised areas, encouraging street entertainment and relaxing outdoor dining licences all make a difference.

In fact it’s symbiotic.

My company’s model allows us to deliver more for less, meaning more sales and higher bonuses. If I get a bit of extra cash as a result it goes on Brighton and Hove Albion, the bars near the station, local pubs and restaurants and independent shops.

 

[Igzilla]

Here's a twitter thread that looks at Farage's links with Kremlin backed supporters:

 

[A1X]

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I'm not sure that Churchill had much to do with it. However it is clear that Churchill wanted to see a more united Europe (not that he wanted the UK to be in it, of course) and that he thought European human rights were undoubtedly a bit sketchy compared with the UK.

But primarily, Churchill did not expect the ECHR to be able to dictate national policy over and above the democratic government's policy, as they have recently done with the case ruling that Switzerland's government's policy on the environment is illegal under ECHR. It's an abuse of power. The ECHR should not be able to override national, democratically elected governments. It is not their role.

As has been pointed out he was very much involved with it.

So one ruling makes you want to leave. One ruling. The fact that ECHR has kept various dodgy governments in check should show you it is very much needed. If Farage and Sunak want it gone then anyone with a modicum of common sense knows it’s a bad move.

 

[Lever]

Dunno. Has a whiff of JCFG about him, but JCFG has a leather hide, as well as a brass neck, and was occasionally good for a laugh, and knew a bit about the Albion. This one is prickly and precious and entitled, and has a football deficit. So.....I don't know.

(And too daft for me to bother putting on ignore)

Didn't JCFG morph into Wokeworrier? They were obnoxious in a similar fashion, but I wasn't aware of any decent sense of humour....

 

[WATFORD zero]

If I'm honest, the first day of my campaign to show not all Reform voters are thick and to find one who can explain and justify a single policy beyond the three word pamphlet slogan hasn't been the unbridled success I had hoped for, but maybe with some new posters taking up the mantel and one or two rather unlikely comebacks, tomorrow will be better

Ever the optimist

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

If I'm honest, the first day of my campaign to show not all Reform voters are thick and to find one who can explain and justify a single policy beyond the three word pamphlet slogan hasn't been the unbridled success I had hoped for, but maybe with some new posters taking up the mantel and one or two rather unlikely comebacks, tomorrow will be better

Ever the optimist

So far I've seen one person still upset we haven't left the ECHR as they voted to leave EU, conspiracy theories, Putin supporters, and people against working from home.

Being told to Google answers is a very NSC brexiteer comeback. And that was because they couldn't answer questions on their views and opinions. I'm sure it's completely different and not the case here.

 

[pb21]

Leave the ECHR
3% online sales tax
Reduce business rates

You're going to vote for the absolute shower of shite that is Farage and his dubious collection of unsavoury misfits to leave the ECHR and be in cahoots with the Ruskies and Belarus, and two other ambiguous/meaningless policies?

 

[Bodian]

The crux of all this is to get the economy working again from the ground up. As a country we need people to be dealing with eachother face to face. We need our town centres to be vibrant places for shopping, dining, entertaining etc. This won't happen all the time people spend their weekend their shopping online, getting takeaways and watching Netflix. Then on Monday going to work which involves lounging around the house in pyjamas with a laptop. Covid is over, wakey, wakey Britain, it's time to do some work again.

I now work from home much of the week. I have never been as productive as now.

I used to go down to London for 3-4 hour meetings, which were tiring, and basically took all day. Indeed, more than a full day's work - as it would be 7am till 8pm. And others at the meeting would be travelling similar distances. We now meet online more often, for shorter periods. So, not only are the meetings more productive (in being less tiring), but we can all do five hours' work during the rest of the day instead of struggling with public transport.

And when I did travel to the office every day, given that it was only next to ASDA, it was hardly that I was making the town centre vibrant. I did keep Shell & BP's profits up though - is that he sort of thing you mean?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Didn't JCFG morph into Wokeworrier? They were obnoxious in a similar fashion, but I wasn't aware of any decent sense of humour....

Yes he did. So out of gas by the time he'd morphed I couldn't be arsed to put him on ignore. It is as if the quality of the 'opposition' on NSC degraded in parallel with the demise of the integrity of the party itself.

 

[BadFish]

So which of your Human Rights do you want to surrender?

Also, perhaps look at the regimes where all human rights are suppressed; are they the type of societies you want Britain to become?

Or are you just triggered by the work 'European' in ECHR?

How the hell did the right wing press and the likes of Farage manage to persuade people with an actual working brain that human rights were a bad thing?

 

[jcdenton08]

How the hell did the right wing press and the likes of Farage manage to persuade people with an actual working brain that human rights were a bad thing?

Debatable.

 

[Scappa]

 

[BadFish]

If they wanted an option that is "obsessed with niche 'wokey' issues like gender rights and promoting immigrant cultures and even net zero" there's the Green Party and if they want a centrist party there's 2024 Labour or Lib/Dems. And the irony of only the conservatives being "obsessed with serving their donors and feathering their own nests" whilst voting Reform we won't even start on

So why are they voting for a party whose candidates contain a heady mix of racists, facisists, homophobes, islamophobes, misogynists, antisemites, nazi sympathisers, Putin supporters, Trump supporters, Andrew Tate supporters, conspiracy theorists etc etc (Obviously much to Farage's dismay and disappointment) with no realistic policies.

I can't imagine why

If these are the people that are reflective of how they feel then surely you have to start asking why on earth so many people feel that way.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Leave the ECHR which was founded by Sir Winston Churchill in 1951, with 45 other countries, who form the Council of Europe, long before the EU or even the Common Market.
Boris Johnson’s maternal grandfather was involved for 20 years, being President for 10 of those years.
The Good Friday Agreement is based in the ECHR, so why do you want to reintroduce violence and deaths in Northern Ireland?
Which of these 18 Rights that I have, do you want to remove?

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What human rights do we have in the UK that people in Canada, USA, Japan, Australia and New Zealand do not have?

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Farage is the only one that is stating the truth about what is happening due to Globalisation. Starmer has got something to do with the World Economic Forum and something about the world being run by the rich. 1 in 30 people in the UK are immigrants. Farage also won't lead us into war with Putin. Farage is right that the west caused Russia to invade Ukraine as NATO ignored the Warsaw pact & the West has swallowed up the old Soviet Union. Starmer will lead us into war. Isn't it weird that everyone opened up to everyone at the same time, Australia, New Zealand etc.... this is what I've heard today from someone very intelligent.

I've already had the immigration argument with them before & said about students & dependents adding to the figures etc & the fact that people are getting Visas to prop up the NHS etc. As they bought up Australia today I pointed out that Australia is a very difficult place to migrate to, so haven't opened up to everyone at all & received some random response that Australians have real difficulty getting into this country as well. I wasn't sure where they were going with that argument?
So I switched to asking what economic policies Reform has that will help everyday people, pointing out that Farage is part of the rich elite, that went to private school & is a millionaire who made his money on the stock market. Response... all politicians promise to help everyday people and nothing changes (they didn't see the irony in what they said).
I moved onto the NHS & that Farage is giving heavy hints that he will privatise it. Response... he's not going to get into power, so it won't happen.
Farage wants to leave the ECHR that we helped set up, so what's going to happen to your kids if we leave without any guarantee that the same workers rights etc etc will be enshrined into UK Law? Response... Starmer is going to take us into war anyway, that's why Sunak called the election as he doesn't want to be the one to do it (they may have a point with that) but they didn't answer the question.

Asking them for actual evidence I was met with 'I mainly watch podcasts but something (I can't remember what it was) was published in The Independent (I suspect that may have been the 1 in 30 thing)'. I stopped the conversation as they were speaking over me anyway and said we'd have to agree to disagree.
What spins me out the most is that they used to vote Labour, then went to the Greens & now are going to vote for the Reform party. It's bizarre!!

1 in 30 people in the UK are immigrants.


Its way more than that, nearer 1 in 6.

As for political journeys its quite common. If you start watching podcasts you start filling up the gaps in your knowledge and "See it all at once", a lot of people I watch can be described as center left who looked left and said Yuk! The catalyst for this is seeing through the MSM.

 

[Baldseagull]

1 in 30 people in the UK are immigrants.


Its way more than that, nearer 1 in 6.

As for political journeys its quite common. If you start watching podcasts you start filling up the gaps in your knowledge and "See it all at once", a lot of people I watch can be described as center left who looked left and said Yuk! The catalyst for this is seeing through the MSM.

I am worried about you Dingo. What podcasts have you been watching?

 

[Baldseagull]

What human rights do we have in the UK that people in Canada, USA, Japan, Australia and New Zealand do not have?

I am not familiar with their rights, but if you can tell me what mine will be after we scrap the ECHR, I might be more relaxed about it.

 

[Holoflux]

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