[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Zeberdi]

There is a long game at play here and this is my opinion.

Farage takes his orders form Steve Bannon, regardless what you think of him he is quite often on the money. Bannon was on GB News interview saying he thought the UK may be on course for a violent revolution. To avoid that the first part is to destroy the Tory party so bad its easily replaced next time by reform(Or taken over).Meanwhile the theory goes about 2 years into a labour government the Labour party will unravel due to internal conflicts and possible major market crash.

Banon is projecting - it is America heading in that direction not the UK - we don’t do revolutions.

I think you are on the money with Farage and indeed other hard right UK politicians - and yes, there are factions and new conservative groups popping up all over the place in the Tory Party causing stress fractures.

Liz Truss is heading a new group, the Popular Conservatism group, that is vying for influence on Sunak’s manifesto pledges. Truss is also, like Farage, strongly supportive of Trump being reelected (and she’s helping to platform him both here and US) - I think the Tory Party will faction off and and either unravel completely or form a breakaway conservatism party - at the moment the hard left influences in UK politics are too fragmented to cause much ‘damage’ to the 2 main party system that is the status quo at the moment.

I think your assessment of the Labour Party however, is way off base - it is stronger now than I have ever known it - even in the Blair years (arguably one of the strongest periods in recent Labour Party history) the grassroots of the Party were very much working in opposition to the leadership.

If there is a ’major market’ crash - I think this will be triggered by Trump’s isolationist economic policies and his ongoing trade war with China that he started in 2018 and has promised to take up a notch if he wins back the Presidency

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As far as “violent revolution” - a war in Europe or the Middle East will be the more likely of violent events in the timescale you‘re envisioning.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Relax. Hangleton is safe.

Anyway, were you not promised an end to immigration if we left the EU?
Did you not Back Boris to sort it all out?
You LOVED Boris!
So do you think the tories were lying to you about their intentions all along?
Or are they being thwarted by left wing factions like the Lifeboats and the police, and lawyers, a fifth column that wants to declare the UK and Islamic state?

Sake. The state you're in is not a great look

The cry of Brexiteers was “We need to get rid of all “these” foreigners coming here and taking our jobs” “These” foreigners being workers from the EU who worked hard, welcomed overtime and weekend working and were a genuinely nice bunch of lads (from my perspective in the construction industry where they were paid the going rate, not cheap labour)

Now it’s “We need to get rid of all these immigrants coming here and taking our benefits”

People moan that 16/17 year olds shouldn’t get the vote because they are not old enough to grasp the issues that will affect their future, but it’s a very sizeable percentage of the existing electorate that haven’t a clue about anything apart from what they read in the headlines of the Sun and Mirror, that are the real problem.

 

[peterward]

There is a long game at play here and this is my opinion.

Farage takes his orders form Steve Bannon, regardless what you think of him he is quite often on the money. Bannon was on GB News interview saying he thought the UK may be on course for a violent revolution. To avoid that the first part is to destroy the Tory party so bad its easily replaced next time by reform(Or taken over).Meanwhile the theory goes about 2 years into a labour government the Labour party will unravel due to internal conflicts and possible major market crash.

Steve Bannon is a deluded f*ckwit.

Its all part of the Neo fascist axis that involves Trump, Putin, Orban and other far right groups masquerading as respectable mainstream parties. There is a hell of a lot of similarities into how the world is today, perplexed by struggles, wars and hardships and how it was in the 1920's and early 1930's the last time there was a fascist/populist rise.

Thats what Bannon stands for. Neo Fascism is a new fascism modernised into a "hidden in plain sight" attempt at respectability, but no less dangerous and whose aims are any less toxic and divisive than the forbearers whose flags they carry.

The current political class, Tory and Labour are both utterly shit without any real visions and both like boats without a rudder, blown around by events and whats most popular today rather than having any conviction in setting a real future path. Its the perfect breeding ground for discontent and people rejecting the mainstream that offers little and running into the arms of masked populist neo fascists who offer them simplistic trope based solutions, who bend reality and truth in the information space to their nefarious end goals.

Tice made much today, that without any advertising spend, 32 of the top 50 most liked election flyers on facebook are for reform......what he didnt say is that Bannon and Putin trolls are probably the ones clicking.

 

[Eric the meek]

I have no idea of your politics.
Are you happy with the 'Tories out' aspect or equally a little concerned as to how far right Starmer has had to lean in order to reach such exalted status?

My politics are difficult to pigeon hole, but most often centrist. On some issues I am right of centre, others left. I can't stomach the duplicity of Boris, the disruption of Nigel 'the Brexit bus was a mistake' Farage, the wild excesses of Patel, the grasping Braverman, the other-worldliness of JRM. I voted remain, and would vote to return in a heartbeat. I have no concerns about Starmer. Labour are a broad church, but they are wise to impose a limit to ban the outlying nutjobs.

The Tories have had 14 years in power. Why bring in national service only now? Even Liz Truss didn't do that. But my gripe isn't just about Brexit. It's also their world-class incompetence. Another of their flagship projects, universal credit, saw the biggest benefit fraud ever carried out in Britain (and Bulgaria). This the party of the Taxpayers' Alliance FFS. They have spaffed so much taxpayers' money on Brexit, Liz Truss, stop the boats, Rwanda (....audio fades away).

Did I mention Gove? Who was that bloke who claimed the costs of heating his stables? Out with them.

 

[The Rivet]

It appears to me that Farage/Reform are wanting to oust the liberal members of the Tories. They have already admitted Labour will win, so, it's all about left or right leaning conservatism. It'll be interesting.

 

[peterward]

My politics are difficult to pigeon hole, but most often centrist. On some issues I am right of centre, others left. I can't stomach the duplicity of Boris, the disruption of Nigel 'the Brexit bus was a mistake' Farage, the wild excesses of Patel, the grasping Braverman, the other-worldliness of JRM. I voted remain, and would vote to return in a heartbeat. I have no concerns about Starmer. Labour are a broad church, but they are wise to impose a limit to ban the outlying nutjobs.

The Tories have had 14 years in power. Why bring in national service only now? Even Liz Truss didn't do that. But my gripe isn't just about Brexit. It's also their world-class incompetence. Another of their flagship projects, universal credit, saw the biggest benefit fraud ever carried out in Britain (and Bulgaria). This the party of the Taxpayers' Alliance FFS. They have spaffed so much taxpayers' money on Brexit, Liz Truss, stop the boats, Rwanda (....audio fades away).

Did I mention Gove? Who was that bloke who claimed the costs of heating his stables? Out with them.

Thats bollocks.





You forgot HS2!

 

[A1X]

Tice made much today, that without any advertising spend, 32 of the top 50 most liked election flyers on facebook are for reform......what he didnt say is that Bannon and Putin trolls are probably the ones clicking.

And as Susan Hall found out recently in London, right wing social media trolls don’t vote in elections

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thanks but I really don't need a lecture from a Liberal leftie. If you're happy with the way this country is going that's fine, but I'm not - and an awful lot of people would say the same if they weren't afraid of being called out for their views by people who bury their heads in the sand and claim that everything's fine.
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So what is it that he is saying that you are so afraid of saying (and 'an awful lot of others' who also seem incapable of using a keyboard)

 

[Is it PotG?]

So what is it that he is saying that you are so afraid of saying (and 'an awful lot of others' who also seem incapable of using a keyboard)

Wise words Mr King of the Edit.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

Wise words Mr King of the Edit.

This need an edit.

 

[pb21]

So what is it that he is saying that you are so afraid of saying (and 'an awful lot of others' who also seem incapable of using a keyboard)

Based on what Farage said the other day it's too many Muslims being in / coming to the country.

 

[clapham_gull]

i'm surprised at you asking. it's ego and Farage thinking he can actually be a viable party of the right.

some say wants to lead Conservatives. if he wanted that he could join them, possibly win in a leadership too. there's a rump of the right that dont like Conservativism and think something else is the answer.

That didn't answer the question though did it. The rump on the right is the same as the rump on the left.

The British public will dismiss them over time and I'm not sure what Farage is actually seeing beyond his ego. Social media has connected the extremes, but they generally fall apart with internal arguments.

One case in point is the Covid vaccines. Many in Reform have had to back track, the original narrative was that we wouldn't have got them inside the EU. Now they've managed to draw in a lot of the foil hat brigade their message has changed.

Throughout my lifetime the extremes on the left and right have blown themselves up.

 

[clapham_gull]

And as Susan Hall found out recently in London, right wing social media trolls don’t vote in elections

Especially as the vast majority don't live in London.

 

[nicko31]

The irony is was Farage who was the enabler for the Tories in 2019, he put the Vote Leave cabal in power. He needs to own the last 5 years, it needs to be called out

All roads lead to the Brexit disaster

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

Thats bollocks.





You forgot HS2!

That’s true. A great high speed rail link from the centre of London to Manchester was promised. A not yet finished semi link from Birmingham to not even the centre of London is what we may get one day!

 

[Nobby]

Feckin French Tw*t

Never been elected - this is his eighth attempt.

Feck off back to Europe

 

[zefarelly]

That sounds like a common medical procedure.

It is . . .Typo , The L should have been an F

It's a very quick procedure if threatened by an experienced Martron

 

[peterward]

That didn't answer the question though did it. The rump on the right is the same as the rump on the left.

The British public will dismiss them over time and I'm not sure what Farage is actually seeing beyond his ego. Social media has connected the extremes, but they generally fall apart with internal arguments.

One case in point is the Covid vaccines. Many in Reform have had to back track, the original narrative was that we wouldn't have got them inside the EU. Now they've managed to draw in a lot of the foil hat brigade their message has changed.

Throughout my lifetime the extremes on the left and right have blown themselves up.

Theres truth in that statement. Reform is mirroring a section of the Tory right, the ERG, Rees Mogg, Braverman Thatcherites. They have little to do with the more liberal wets of which Sunak and his band of uselessness reside.

But same is true of Labour, just 5 years ago those Championing Labour were doing so for a hardline old school socialist (crackpot), and today those same voters championing Labour are doing so for a centrist. The Jump from Corbyn to Starmer being far greater than from Sunak to Starmer, and now the momentum, Corbyn, George Galloway looney left are the rump who in the next few years, will likely divide Labour too as they did last time.

the Broad Church of both Tories and Labour is extremely fragile and volatile and any perceived harmony is often short lived as factions compete for their ideology.

In that respect Reform or even any new party of Corbyn if it ever came is likely to be more harmonius and have a clearer strategic vision, however warped that may be.

 

[HeaviestTed]

Please please please can we see his sour face on the 5th having not won

 

[WATFORD zero]

The irony is was Farage who was the enabler for the Tories in 2019, he put the Vote Leave cabal in power. He needs to own the last 5 years, it needs to be called out

All roads lead to the Brexit disaster

It is somewhat Ironic that he's been leading the conservative party for the last 8 years and now it's finally come to it's totally and completely predictable final clusterf***, he wants to lead the party and they won't let him