[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Crawley Dingo]

You could have just said "No, I don't have a clue about the definition of woke" and you would have looked a whole lot less silly.

Look it up yourself, I am not your Mum. i gave a fuller definition a few months ago and i'm dammed if I'll do it just to get snide responses This just shows you are in an echo chamber

 

[AlbionBro]

Gosh.

You remind me of the skinny boy, back in the day, who wanted to be subbed off ten minutes after KO because it had got a bit rainy and cold.

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

 

[The Clamp]

Look it up yourself, I am not your Mum. i gave a fuller definition a few months ago and i'm dammed if I'll do it just to get snide responses This just shows you are in an echo chamber

The reason you never give a straight answer is because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You’re full of shit.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

WTF are you going on about? 'This lady?'

You have swallowed the Musk bait, hook line and sinker.

I am genuinely appalled at you.

 

[Lever]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

Wow! That's a helluva misrepresentation of Keir Starmer and Jess Phillips; I am genuinely curious to discover what source/s you have referred to in making such a judgement...

 

[pb21]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

Do you honestly think Starmer hasn't/won't support the rape victims and that Phillips doesn't have any fight for the victims?

 

[Bodian]

Look it up yourself, I am not your Mum. i gave a fuller definition a few months ago and i'm dammed if I'll do it just to get snide responses This just shows you are in an echo chamber

The trouble with telling us to 'look it up yourself' doesn't help us understand what your definition is.

'Woke' seems to mean different things to different people. See this for example.

https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/50772-how-do-britons-define-woke-in-their-own-words - which one of the following is you?

Hence me asking you on a different thread to give examples of what you think are 'woke policies' introduced by Labour.

 

[AstroSloth]

Look it up yourself, I am not your Mum. i gave a fuller definition a few months ago and i'm dammed if I'll do it just to get snide responses This just shows you are in an echo chamber

The thing is I don't actually need to look it up as I know what the definition is.

You don't know what the definition is, I was hoping that you might actually do some research for once, alas that hope was quickly dashed.

 

[jcdenton08]

Do you honestly think Starmer hasn't/won't support the rape victims and that Phillips doesn't have any fight for the victims?

I think that under successive governments there has been a concerted effort to manage the mainstream media in their coverage of these cases. I think the CPS, police and judiciary have conspired in many cases to hush up the scale and extent of this type of offending, to prevent the kind of civil unrest as we saw after Southport.

Whilst they may feel this is in the national interest when it comes to public safety, such management of the press leads to exactly what we are seeing now, hyperbolic social media attacks from the far right and exposure of people like Tommy Robinson acting as racist agents provocateurs to millions of people.

There is a problem in that many legitimate stories in the public interest are proactively buried by the news media, and get shunted to the murky waters of X and its kin, and real stories are lumped together with the race baiting, outright lies and nonsense that draw millions of views and shape the narrative.

 

[Machiavelli]

I think that under successive governments there has been a concerted effort to manage the mainstream media in their coverage of these cases. I think the CPS, police and judiciary have conspired in many cases to hush up the scale and extent of this type of offending, to prevent the kind of civil unrest as we saw after Southport.

Whilst they may feel this is in the national interest when it comes to public safety, such management of the press leads to exactly what we are seeing now, hyperbolic social media attacks from the far right and exposure of people like Tommy Robinson acting as racist agents provocateurs to millions of people.

There is a problem in that many legitimate stories in the public interest are proactively buried by the news media, and get shunted to the murky waters of X and its kin, and real stories are lumped together with the race baiting, outright lies and nonsense that draw millions of views and shape the narrative.

When is the most recent example that 'you think' has occurred of 'these cases', by which I take it that you mean Pakistani grooming gangs?

 

[pb21]

I think that under successive governments there has been a concerted effort to manage the mainstream media in their coverage of these cases. I think the CPS, police and judiciary have conspired in many cases to hush up the scale and extent of this type of offending, to prevent the kind of civil unrest as we saw after Southport.

Whilst they may feel this is in the national interest when it comes to public safety, such management of the press leads to exactly what we are seeing now, hyperbolic social media attacks from the far right and exposure of people like Tommy Robinson acting as racist agents provocateurs to millions of people.

There is a problem in that many legitimate stories in the public interest are proactively buried by the news media, and get shunted to the murky waters of X and its kin, and real stories are lumped together with the race baiting, outright lies and nonsense that draw millions of views and shape the narrative.

I was asking the op a very specific question, not for a general overview of the situation

 

[jcdenton08]

When is the most recent example that 'you think' has occurred of 'these cases', by which I take it that you mean Pakistani grooming gangs?

Not just the grooming gangs.

Cases like Archie Battersbee, the suppression of leaked coroner’s reports, and his mother Hollie Dance’s subsequent original attempted murder arrest (now a GBH charge - unrelated to Archie’s death) has been woefully undocumented, making two BBC news reports filed in the “Local News” sections.

As for the grooming gangs, they all received minimal press coverage given the scale of the offending (an estimated 1400 victims in two towns alone), and sources like the BBC buried several of the stories relating to the local authority’s conduct, as noted repeatedly in the inquiry chaired by Professor Jay.

The point was made that local authorities, the media, the police and even the judiciary were found to be extremely reticent when reporting such cases due to fears of being labelled racist, due to practically all of the offenders in these specific cases being of Pakistani origin. It’s all there in the report.

 

[clapham_gull]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

What were your feelings at the time when you read about the reports and convictions or this something you have only recently caught up with ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

There has already been a public enquiry, started by Theresa May in 2015, as Home Secretary by Professor Alexis Jay. There were 22 recommendations, none of which were implemented. The PM at the time decided spaffing money up the wall on child sexual abuse was a waste of time.
Sir Keir Starmer worked with Azir Nafzal, as Chief Crown Prosecutor to put some of the rapists behind bars.

 

[The Clamp]

If it was football, I feel you would have a point. But this lady and victims need some sort of action, I am so disappointed with Keir, any real labour leader would have supported the rape victims, I also thought Jess would have had some fight for the victims.
Do you have empathy for these victims?

I’m assuming you made your opinions on this heard at the time it was being exposed by journalists?

 

[Springal]

There has already been a public enquiry, started by Theresa May in 2015, as Home Secretary by Professor Alexis Jay. There were 22 recommendations, none of which were implemented. The PM at the time decided spaffing money up the wall on child sexual abuse was a waste of time.
Sir Keir Starmer worked with Azir Nafzal, as Chief Crown Prosecutor to put some of the rapists behind bars.

Don’t forget Liz Truss had a spell as Women’s Minister. The old lettuce seems to have forgotten this

 

[clapham_gull]

I think that under successive governments there has been a concerted effort to manage the mainstream media in their coverage of these cases. I think the CPS, police and judiciary have conspired in many cases to hush up the scale and extent of this type of offending, to prevent the kind of civil unrest as we saw after Southport.

Er, after the convictions started happening there wasn't. This is the really odd thing. Everything has been covered extensively in the media and the press.

The wider general public either absorbed it in context at the time or (unlikely) ignored it.

It's only fired up again due to Musk and his weird obsession with the Labour party. For balance he could equally go after the Conservatives.

Like a number of grifting conspiracy theorists, his strategy is to claim to expose things have already been exposed.

Robinson did the same outside court, claiming to "expose" things that were already being prosecuted.

 

[Motogull]

Don’t forget Liz Truss had a spell as Women’s Minister. The old lettuce seems to have forgotten this

Christ. Cecil Parkinson or Jeffrey Archer would have been more suitable.

 

[JBizzle]

So having been in power for less than 6 months, Kier Starmer is responsible for the past 20 years is he?

I'm by no means his biggest fan, but come on. Badenoch and her pals had 13 years to fix this issue, unless their plan all along was like their immigration plan? i.e. to keep things broken, making cursory lip service to solutions whilst reaping the rewards of their divisive rhetoric, then blame the next government for not fixing it straight away.

 

[clapham_gull]

I thought the country had gone bat shit crazy, but over the last couple of days it has outdone itself.

I used to chuckle at those Trump supporter interviews incredulous that people that f***ing stupid with access to education functioned in a modern western society.

I now come to the realisation I've living alongside them.

To be this into context David Icke (YES FUCKNG DAVID ICKE) thinks Musk is full of shit.

And this is just the support act. Trump hasn't started yet.