[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

[BLOCK F]

This....

I think she is a sneaky little **** and would tend to believe Caroline Flint, I think "threatening" to sue a fellow member is a smoke shield and covers the real story, she is a massive part of the Labour problem. The champagne rich socialists living in their million pound houses, in their safe hipster seats in London, thinking the real working class labour voters in the north and midlands are stupid because they voted leave.... Listen to their concerns and then approach them, talk to them, not ignore them and hope another referendum will go their way and they won't have to admit people are unhappy and concerned about stuff outside London....

Don't trust her, and if she became leader, that would push me further away from Labour.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...deny-claim-she-called-voters-stupid-rtxfvv63n

Psycho, you sum it up to a tee.
I think she is a ghastly woman. Surely no-one could vote for her!

 

[Chicken Run]

As a Tory voter to be honest these loons being touted is music to my ears, I’d be more afraid of a moderate left of centre candidate [emoji23]

 

[crodonilson]

RIchard Burgon looks like he won't be joining the main race but will instead join the race for deputy leader. He told Daily Politics:

Asked whether he welcomes Emily Thornberry entering the leadership race, shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon says: "I think it’s good that there’s candidates from the different political strands within the Labour Party who are going to be putting their name forward, we're a dynamic, welcoming, forward thinking and multi cultural house with many different rooms and cupboards."

He says his own preference is the aforementioned shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn - but adds: "I think it’s welcome that the members are going to have a real choice. Rebecca is however the only candidate who can drive us forward with progressive policies and appealing to votors from across the political spectrum. I could work very close with her to bring this party the success it deserves and bring us back to power."

 

[Titanic]

As a Tory voter to be honest these loons being touted is music to my ears, I’d be more afraid of a moderate left of centre candidate [emoji23]

Yvette Cooper and Lisa Nandy would be the dream ticket for New Labour II... and would be a real threat to the Tories.

 

[London Irish]

Which one are you, Morecombe or.........oh, hang on, you must be Wise, as your pal is at least funny!

ha ha ha - go on the stage mate

 

[Insel affe]

Psycho, you sum it up to a tee.
I think she is a ghastly woman. Surely no-one could vote for her!

I never did when I lived in Islington, the trouble is she gets in very comfortably, it is a mixed area with very wealthy rich media types, young up and coming hipsters who think of themselves as rebels and would never vote Tory, yet despite all their talk don't vote Green and council estate tenants of mixed heritage from all around the world who believe voting Tory is voting for Brexit and all that entails regarding working here for EU citizens who live in London, unfortunately people blindly believe labour are the party of the people.

Look at her track record, it all appeals to hipster voters, and I particularly can't understand

1: voted against investigations into the Iraq war
2: voted against military action against ISIL (Daesh)


https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11656/emily_thornberry/islington_south_and_finsbury/votes

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

As a Tory voter to be honest these loons being touted is music to my ears, I’d be more afraid of a moderate left of centre candidate [emoji23]

Yes, what they said!

 

[London Irish]

So it's at least 10 more years of the Tories then.

RLB really is useless.

Oh well, Momentum can bang on about it being about the socialist project, we won the argument etc. blah blah.

I heard Starmer on Today this morning - I could vote for him.

It's ironic that the Tories were always the party that was split on Europe, but Brexit has destroyed the broad church that was the labour party too - in the long run a split might be the best way forward.

Starmer will carry on serving in a front bench role even if he doesn't get leader, the broad church will be there if you really believe in it and want to support it.

The Labour Party did split, remember Change UK? Chuka? All their MPs lost their deposits, just as Jo Swinson lost her seat. The idea that the election proved the Labour Right or the Lib Dems are in any way popular with the British public is not credible. Labour are still the only alternative if people get tired of Johnson's constant lying and racism, yes big if but lying and racism could go out of fashion much quicker than everyone thinks

 

[Lower West Stander]

I think the word collaborator is wrong. The implication is that he worked with the IRA to achieve their aim of achieving a United Ireland through terrorism and violence. That’s collaboration and it’s totally untrue.

He is and was a pacifist sympathetic to an oppressed minority and open to the idea of a United Ireland. His trail blazing method of talking to the enemy was copied by the Tories and then the Blair government achieving peace on that Island.

He is a righteous campaigner driven by immovable principles, this makes him profoundly unfit for the office of PM.

I see what you did there.

Ok - on the collaborator bit, but would counter with use of pacifist when he shared platforms with convicted bombers....

 

[BLOCK F]

RIchard Burgon looks like he won't be joining the main race but will instead join the race for deputy leader. He told Daily Politics:

Asked whether he welcomes Emily Thornberry entering the leadership race, shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon says: "I think it’s good that there’s candidates from the different political strands within the Labour Party who are going to be putting their name forward, we're a dynamic, welcoming, forward thinking and multi cultural house with many different rooms and cupboards."

He says his own preference is the aforementioned shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn - but adds: "I think it’s welcome that the members are going to have a real choice. Rebecca is however the only candidate who can drive us forward with progressive policies and appealing to votors from across the political spectrum. I could work very close with her to bring this party the success it deserves and bring us back to power."

Methinks Long-Bailey and Burgon would be just the wrong team if Labour want to become electable .......... too tainted by Corbynism and McDonnellism.

 

[Lower West Stander]

The word is a very strong one which is now routinely used by him and others by the right wing press. No wonder people have started to believe it

Point taken on my use of the word.

Maybe its because I can remember him supporting Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. I thought it was repulsive at the time and I still think its repulsive now.

Maybe you should just blame the press for absolutely everything.....

 

[blue-shifted]

Starmer will carry on serving in a front bench role even if he doesn't get leader, the broad church will be there if you really believe in it and want to support it.

The Labour Party did split, remember Change UK? Chuka? All their MPs lost their deposits, just as Jo Swinson lost her seat. The idea that the election proved the Labour Right or the Lib Dems are in any way popular with the British public is not credible. Labour are still the only alternative if people get tired of Johnson's constant lying and racism, yes big if but lying and racism could go out of fashion much quicker than everyone thinks

This ignores the huge impact of the two party system and our method of electing MP's

I think that a more right leaning "Blairite" Labour right has more chance of winning power than a left leaning one.

Somewhere in the middle could be a dream ticket. Centrist economic policy combined with strongly left social policy. Blair's first government probably did achieve this. However the next prospective Labour PM can expect a brexit induced empty exchequer

 

[Lower West Stander]

Methinks Long-Bailey and Burgon would be just the wrong team if Labour want to become electable .......... too tainted by Corbynism and McDonnellism.

Not to JRG I would suspect.

He thinks Militant Tendency sold out in the 80s

 

[Titanic]

Yvette Cooper and Lisa Nandy would be the dream ticket for New Labour II... and would be a real threat to the Tories.

Methinks Long-Bailey and Burgon would be just the wrong team if Labour want to become electable .......... too tainted by Corbynism and McDonnellism.

So the question facing the Labour Party, the PLP and the Unions is which of these do they go for and can they hold the coalition together when one or more factions will be clearly unhappy with the result?

Or is there a middle-ground, compromise ticket??

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Starmer will carry on serving in a front bench role even if he doesn't get leader, the broad church will be there if you really believe in it and want to support it.

The Labour Party did split, remember Change UK? Chuka? All their MPs lost their deposits, just as Jo Swinson lost her seat. The idea that the election proved the Labour Right or the Lib Dems are in any way popular with the British public is not credible. Labour are still the only alternative if people get tired of Johnson's constant lying and racism, yes big if but lying and racism could go out of fashion much quicker than everyone thinks

Oh well, you carry on then - as I say 10 more years in the wilderness, become a protest party, who would I think actually prefer to be in opposition, making a noise, shouting loudly from the sidelines, but not actually wanting to take responsibility.

Of course those MPs lost their deposits, I haven't checked but I expect Greive and Soubury did too. The Tories and Labour will always hoover up the votes of centrist independents - you seem to fail to grasp the fact that the UK doesn't want a 'hard - left' Govt.but will accept a centre/left Govt.

Elect RLB (McDonnell seems very keen so it's bound to happen) and continue to let the likes of Jon Lansmann running the party with Owen Jones and Ash Sakar as the mouthpieces.

 

[BLOCK F]

So the question facing the Labour Party, the PLP and the Unions is which of these do they go for and can they hold the coalition together when one or more factions will be clearly unhappy with the result?

Or is there a middle-ground, compromise ticket??

Heaven knows!

 

[blue-shifted]

Point taken on my use of the word.

Maybe its because I can remember him supporting Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. I thought it was repulsive at the time and I still think its repulsive now.

Maybe you should just blame the press for absolutely everything.....

I think they have a lot to answer for to be honest. Credit to them they have managed to convince a lot of people of a lot of things which are demonstrably not true. As an example ....

Was JC supporting Adams and MacGuiness? He met them, true as did a lot of politicians and Prince Charles etc. To end wars you have to obliterate your enemy or talk and agree with them. He didn't condemn them, though he did the IRA's and British Army's violence. That's not the same as supporting them.

 

[BenGarfield]

Starmer will carry on serving in a front bench role even if he doesn't get leader, the broad church will be there if you really believe in it and want to support it.

The Labour Party did split, remember Change UK? Chuka? All their MPs lost their deposits, just as Jo Swinson lost her seat. The idea that the election proved the Labour Right or the Lib Dems are in any way popular with the British public is not credible. Labour are still the only alternative if people get tired of Johnson's constant lying and racism, yes big if but lying and racism could go out of fashion much quicker than everyone thinks

Exactly. If being a "Moderate" and repeating the same-old neo-liberal policies of Thatcher and Blair is so attractive, they should try and inspire and recruit new labour members and get the Corbyn agenda amended democratically at conference. Alternatively, join the lib dems or tories

 

[BensGrandad]

I dont really care who becomes the Labour Party Leader as they will never be PM during my lifetime.

 

[Wozza]

I dont really care who becomes the Labour Party Leader as they will never be PM during my lifetime.

Not confident of getting through 2024?