[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

[Neville's Breakfast]

Given that Labour have just suffered their biggest electoral rogering in history and lost seats in places that should be impossible for them to lose, I just like the beautiful irony of the name 'Momentum.'

I asked our old friend Google and found this;

‘Momentum is a vector quantity, given by the product of an object's mass and velocity. If the velocity of the object is negative, i.e. the object is traveling in what has been chosen as the negative direction, the momentum will also be negative.’

 

[Bry Nylon]

I asked our old friend Google and found this;

‘Momentum is a vector quantity, given by the product of an object's mass and velocity. If the velocity of the object is negative, i.e. the object is traveling in what has been chosen as the negative direction, the momentum will also be negative.’

Oh dear

Well, they got that bit right. I have never seen anything travel in a negative direction so quickly.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

If Boris makes a success of it Labour wouldn’t get in for the next 20 years anyway.

The aftermath of Brexit cannot be a success for anyone outside of a section of the elites -

A neo-liberal Brexit will leave Britain exposed to the imperialist actions of the US, Russia and China. The 19th century is gone and Britain is a bit player in terms of the world economy. Johnson will have no choice but to accept any demands that Trump (or his successor) makes - and will think his majority is make his government immune to any attacks he will launch on public services, jobs and wages. It is possible, even probable, that quite quickly Johnson's government will see mass protests on the street link what happened in France last week.

 

[pb21]

Dan Jarvis seems like a good choice to me. I think he would be able to appeal to a broad range of the electorate.

 

[Bulldog]

The aftermath of Brexit cannot be a success for anyone outside of a section of the elites -


Well at least we agree on that.

But the referendum is done and dusted, were going and that's it.

The question is, at the next election, will the British electorate be given an option against the Tories that is appealing to them.

As passionate and eloquent as you are JRG, too many remember the strike torn nationalised industries of the past, and dont want to go back to those miserable days.

They want a Labour leader that doesn't think patriotism is a dirty word and they need to feel safe with a strong military and Trident protecting us in a nasty world.

Most of us dont mind others that have worked hard, enjoying their success and dont feel the need to confiscate it.Your small bunch of extremists dont offer any of that, just a vision of a return to 1970s East Germany.

A moderate centrist Labour party leader could tick all those boxes, you never will.

 

[Bry Nylon]

The aftermath of Brexit cannot be a success for anyone outside of a section of the elites -

A neo-liberal Brexit will leave Britain exposed to the imperialist actions of the US, Russia and China. The 19th century is gone and Britain is a bit player in terms of the world economy. Johnson will have no choice but to accept any demands that Trump (or his successor) makes - and will think his majority is make his government immune to any attacks he will launch on public services, jobs and wages. It is possible, even probable, that quite quickly Johnson's government will see mass protests on the street link what happened in France last week.

FFS, why don't you just have a day off?

I think it would do us all a world of good.

 

[Hugo Rune]

If Boris f***s up Brexit then Starmer is ideal......... He’s just good at lying.

I don’t think Boris will **** Brexit up as far as many of the public are concerned. We’ll leave on the 31st Jan and he’ll sell the lie that Brexit is done (although it’s the beginning), those former Labour northern voters will fall for that hook line and sinker. Trade agreements could also take up to 10 years so we’re be in a sort of EU regulated limbo for a long long time. The headlines will be all about Scotland and NI independence after Jan 31st which will be the fault of the SNP and former Parliament.

 

[Guinness Boy]

FFS, why don't you just have a day off?

I think it would do us all a world of good.

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[Guinness Boy]

I don’t think Boris will **** Brexit up as far as many of the public are concerned. We’ll leave on the 31st Jan and he’ll sell the lie that Brexit is done (although it’s the beginning), those former Labour northern voters will fall for that hook line and sinker. Trade agreements could also take up to 10 years so we’re be in a sort of EU regulated limbo for a long long time. The headlines will be all about Scotland and NI independence after Jan 31st which will be the fault of the SNP and former Parliament.

I guess what I mean is that if the economy crashes and places like Bishop Auckland are still massively depressed shitholes in five years time then Labour will need to decide what plays better - you were lied to because of a, b and c (delivered by Starmer) or virtual Marxist rebellion. I don’t think the latter would play out well in the rest of the country, whereas the former could keep seats like Hove, Canterbury et al onside.

I hate to say this though - there’s a large part of me willing Boris on . Surely if he can deliver a better outcome for the poor in those new Tory areas, if he does head to the centre ground, if he does put minimum NHS spending in to law, that’s a good thing? I don’t want people suffering just to prove I was right. I think that’s where the likes of JRG fall down utterly.


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[mr sheen]

I know Dan. He would be

 

[Nitram]

I really dont understand. Clearly you have a problem with "momentum" a group in the labour party which I dont really know much about. Could you explain to me what are their specific policies that you oppose? You seem not to know. Im really curious because maybe I should be alarmed too.

Ha ha, I’m sure you are not that stupid but you clearly think I am.

 

[Hastings gull]

The aftermath of Brexit cannot be a success for anyone outside of a section of the elites -

A neo-liberal Brexit will leave Britain exposed to the imperialist actions of the US, Russia and China. The 19th century is gone and Britain is a bit player in terms of the world economy. Johnson will have no choice but to accept any demands that Trump (or his successor) makes - and will think his majority is make his government immune to any attacks he will launch on public services, jobs and wages. It is possible, even probable, that quite quickly Johnson's government will see mass protests on the street link what happened in France last week.

What of course you really mean is that you are hoping for such an eventuality, irrespective of what happens.

 

[Hastings gull]

The aftermath of Brexit cannot be a success for anyone outside of a section of the elites -


Well at least we agree on that.

But the referendum is done and dusted, were going and that's it.

The question is, at the next election, will the British electorate be given an option against the Tories that is appealing to them.

As passionate and eloquent as you are JRG, too many remember the strike torn nationalised industries of the past, and dont want to go back to those miserable days.

They want a Labour leader that doesn't think patriotism is a dirty word and they need to feel safe with a strong military and Trident protecting us in a nasty world.

Most of us dont mind others that have worked hard, enjoying their success and dont feel the need to confiscate it.Your small bunch of extremists dont offer any of that, just a vision of a return to 1970s East Germany.

A moderate centrist Labour party leader could tick all those boxes, you never will.

I don't know if you are a labour supporter, but one thing I do know is that that party is going to need more of you in the future, but listening to the current crop of fanatics, all in denail, then I am not sure that your sensible interpretation of the last few months will see the light of day. I vote tory and am not bothered as such, just that i feel sorry for moderate people whose party has been hijacked.

 

[Lever]

In order to start a credible comeback I really think Labour needs to ask Corbyn to step aside sooner rather than later. He may be the decent man that some believe him to be but his brand is toxic. I am not a Labour supporter but I might be won over by the right leader..... Maybe Jess Phillips?

 

[knocky1]

I hate to say this though - there’s a large part of me willing Boris on . Surely if he can deliver a better outcome for the poor in those new Tory areas, if he does head to the centre ground, if he does put minimum NHS spending in to law, that’s a good thing? I don’t want people suffering just to prove I was right. I think that’s where the likes of JRG fall down utterly.


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There is a slight chance. He has a majority big enough to ignore the far right now they’ve been used as a gamble to personal advantage. He has new fans that will give him a second term, if treated as promised.

I wonder what Dominic Cummings will tell him to do.

 

[Guinness Boy]

What of course you really mean is that you are hoping for such an eventuality, irrespective of what happens.

It's rare we agree but you are spot on. JRG would rather see people suffer so he has an excuse to mobilse them on to the streets, all to soothe his ideological ego. I'd rather Johnson did make a sucess of Brexit and bring some prosperity to the North. I'm not holding my breath but if he did it then it would be wonderful for this country.

 

[knocky1]

In order to start a credible comeback I really think Labour needs to ask Corbyn to step aside sooner rather than later. He may be the decent man that some believe him to be but his brand is toxic. I am not a Labour supporter but I might be won over by the right leader..... Maybe Jess Phillips?

I thought he was going in 8 weeks? Seems suitable. The fall out needs to settle after all. Plenty of time.

 

[Lever]

I thought he was going in 8 weeks? Seems suitable. The fall out needs to settle after all. Plenty of time.

I am just a little concerned that he may try and have some influence on the choice of his successor. If not then I agree that 8 weeks is okay.....

 

[Guinness Boy]

There is a slight chance. He has a majority big enough to ignore the far right now they’ve been used as a gamble to personal advantage. He has new fans that will give him a second term, if treated as promised.

I wonder what Dominic Cummings will tell him to do.

Also a very good post. He doesn't need to listen to Rees-Mogg and Francois right now, but he will listen to Cummings.

It could go horribly wrong for Boris. If it does then more people suffer, more people's lives are made horrible. I can't wish that on people for ideological reasons, But IF it does then Labour need a leader who can take immediate advantage of it, in order to set those peolpe back on to the right track. Having someone who TALKS about it, Who thinks they've won the argument in an echo chamber - that's not going to pay the rent or put food on the table.

 

[knocky1]

Also a very good post. He doesn't need to listen to Rees-Mogg and Francois right now, but he will listen to Cummings.

It could go horribly wrong for Boris. If it does then more people suffer, more people's lives are made horrible. I can't wish that on people for ideological reasons, But IF it does then Labour need a leader who can take immediate advantage of it, in order to set those peolpe back on to the right track. Having someone who TALKS about it, Who thinks they've won the argument in an echo chamber - that's not going to pay the rent or put food on the table.

Don’t patronise me. Most my points are above good.