Murder in Sussex nightclub

[HampshireSeagulls]

What bothers me is these turds who get shirty, then when a good guy comes in to stop it, they can't turn off the red-line blood pressure and get into it with them as well. It turned one doorman friend of mine into a dangerous heavy monster - he'd lay out any redfaced twat who was out of control then be jumping on their head once they were down - and HE had to be stopped!

Another friend though, is my self-defense trainer, and he works door as well. He's hilarious though - if anyone faces up to him it's over in a few swift moves....and often there's more than one lad got taught the hard way!

The last time I got in a spot of bother, a doorman came to feel my collar and I shrugged and walked - no need to involve any more, and the perpetrator had to recover his faculties and his pride without me there to watch. The lad was clearly trying to impress his company and failed, even gobbing off about "these old guys" he was accusing of saying something. It must have been embarrassing for him, facing his pals after that. No respect though, the youth of today.

I trained in Krav Maga as a continuation from JJ, plus some Karate (no bloody use in real life!) and Kung Fu (lovely if the person you are dealing with either stays still or follows the rules/appreciates the lovely forms you are throwing out), and as you say, when it's done quickly and effectively, the person on the receiving end is never quite sure what happened! Krav is brutal and effective, and solves a problem with as little drama as possible. It's not pretty but it does the job. A bit like Whing!

You are right about it all involving ego and machismo, I don't understand the need to prove yourself, especially when there is a damn good chance that you will come off worse. Again, especially when it's doled out by someone old enough to be their Dad/Grandad! I was dropped to the floor in a training hall by a bloke around 80 years old with pressure points and I hardly saw it coming - and by the time I had, I couldn't move through a combination of pain and laughter - and sheer embarassment!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I trained in Krav Maga as a continuation from JJ, plus some Karate (no bloody use in real life!) and Kung Fu (lovely if the person you are dealing with either stays still or follows the rules/appreciates the lovely forms you are throwing out), and as you say, when it's done quickly and effectively, the person on the receiving end is never quite sure what happened! Krav is brutal and effective, and solves a problem with as little drama as possible. It's not pretty but it does the job. A bit like Whing!

You are right about it all involving ego and machismo, I don't understand the need to prove yourself, especially when there is a damn good chance that you will come off worse. Again, especially when it's doled out by someone old enough to be their Dad/Grandad! I was dropped to the floor in a training hall by a bloke around 80 years old with pressure points and I hardly saw it coming - and by the time I had, I couldn't move through a combination of pain and laughter - and sheer embarassment!

In the end tho, what we're discussing here, is somebody going out for the evening after a working week, having a couple of beers with friends, a bit of a dance, then going home again. How on earth did it warp into something so WARLIKE? Where along the line did things get so completely f***ed up that people die on an ordinary night out?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I think most towns are like this now. There is no respect for rules anymore, or respect for person or property. This is a culmination of many social factors, and I am not qualified to even begin to suggest what they are, or how they are solved. All I know is that I am no longer comfortable being out on a Friday or Saturday night. The "going home with a kebab and possibly having a piss on someone's fence" has disappeared and been replaced with violence with no consequences - until something like this happens. It's sick and it spirals.

 

[siclean]

Its called alcohol, get rid of that you solve the problem.
Why do people need to drink to have a good time
"What shall we do tonight, let got and get pissed"

We appear to have lost the imagination of what to do for a night out, so it comes dome to the lowest, drinking.

I actually know people who’s soul outlook on life is that they work all week for the pleasure of going drinking at the weekend

But to be fair, i think our leisure activities are being driven this way, most evening leisure facilities seem to account for alcohol being sold,

I remember 30 years ago it was an evening activity but now it seems an all day thing.
Even got people moaning on here about the potential of not being able to get a drink at Falmer at lunchtime for an afternoon game FFS

i agree, alcohol is pointless... nobody needs it do they? lets do away with it altogether and fags for that matter.. both do so much damage ..whats the point

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

i agree, alcohol is pointless... nobody needs it do they? lets do away with it altogether and fags for that matter.. both do so much damage ..whats the point

yes ash trays full off dog ends and bins full of empties

 

[Skint Gull]

For those in Eastbourne who may know the killer he has been changed so consequently named now so I can say it, Nick Sitko, 24 years old. Certainly has previous for trouble but I don't know how many runs ins with the law to count against him, hopefully a lot and some sort of justice may get done.

Most accounts i've heard imply he picked him up and punched him numerous times while the lad was unconscious on the floor

Man charged over Eastbourne nightclub death From The Argus)

 

[The Wookiee]

For those in Eastbourne who may know the killer he has been changed so consequently named now so I can say it, Nick Sitko, 24 years old. Certainly has previous for trouble but I don't know how many runs ins with the law to count against him, hopefully a lot and some sort of justice may get done.

Most accounts i've heard imply he picked him up and punched him numerous times while the lad was unconscious on the floor

Man charged over Eastbourne nightclub death From The Argus)

Killer ?

Dont you mean the accused ?

 

[Skint Gull]

Killer ?

Dont you mean the accused ?

No I mean KILLER.

He can't deny he killed him, it's hardly like there were no witness'. The question will be can they prosecution make a murder charge stick or will it get reduced to manslaughter?

 

[Gav1901]

these things piss me off its f***ing out of order

 

[Lovejones]

I've read and taken on board

I've read what you guys have had to say about this incident.

I was there on the night, it was busy, hot and sweaty. The subclub where it happenend was really busy, busier then normal. Ben Lund and Nick Sitko were not drunk but in high spirits. The story goes (this is from a firsthand witness),
Ben was chatting up Nick girlfriend and got a bit shirty when Nick approached him. Ben was hit by someone else first then by Nick as he went down, he DID NOT him when he was on the floor.

As soon as he hit the floor the one security guard in the room rushed over, seeing the guy on the floor he called paramedics while everyone was still on the dance floor. Once paramedic came and realised the damage done they cleared the room and subsequently the club, it took an hour to get out of the club.

There was no knife present just two goes having a scuff that ended in a death.

Whether or not Nick Sitko has previous is irrelevant, he didn't go out to kill n anyone, as any man would do he took offence to someone chatting up his missus.

And to the bouncer that worked in the bourne for a while, hastings has more chavs, everyone in eastbourne just dresses cheap lol.

The end result is that eastbourne has llst the best club it had leaving us with cheesy music and meat markets.

Many nights the police stood outside the club and watched the trouble not stepping in, the police cheif had a vendetta against the club and for what. Tj's and Kings have both been in the news for violence yet they still manage t stay open.

 

[BensGrandad]

so who determines whether you have drunk too much,

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He is so right somebody may consider someone to have had too much because they are a little loud, when I or others may accept this is a part of having a drink so would not refuse to serve somebody.

If people are going to quote the law quote it correctly the offense is serving somebody who you CONSIDER to have had too much. Conversly you do not commit an offense if you do not think he or she has had too much. It is all down to the interpretation of the bar tender, stupid I know but that is the law.

 

[patchamalbion]

where did this come from then? anyway the trial starts soon so we will see what happens

 

[Barrel of Fun]

There was no knife present just two goes having a scuff that ended in a death.

Whether or not Nick Sitko has previous is irrelevant, he didn't go out to kill n anyone, as any man would do he took offence to someone chatting up his missus.

Er, he did kill someone. You don't need a knife to kill someone. If someone was chatting up my 'missus', I wouldn't resort to thumping them. Perhaps, I am a different breed.

Hitting someone for chatting up your girlfriend? Inferiority complex personified and a guy died from it.

Bit of a lowlife to justify something like that. Nice work.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Contempt of court... Best just delay the personal accounts from the night until after the trial...

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[Beach Hut]

So an admission of hitting someone who subsequently died.....................

 

[brighton bluenose]

So an admission of hitting someone who subsequently died.....................

........means he will be found guilty of manslaughter and out in 5 years or so!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

........means he will be found guilty of manslaughter and out in 5 years or so!

..at the cost of a life. Lesson? Don't throw punches.

 

[auschr]

Disgusting violence against men I hope he gets his balls cut off and thrown in prison for life

 

[BensGrandad]

May even avoid manslaughter and be charged with unlawful killing. I knew a chap who hit somebody and they fell and banged their head and died and he was charged and found guilty of unlawful killing and got less than 2 yrs.

 

[Northstander]

All this over someones girlfriend being chatted up? I must be somewhat different to these people!

I trust my missus, if she was chatted up, she would say she was with me and walk away as would I if he was getting funny about it.

The other thing is, when I get drunk, I just get daft and tired, certainly no need to want a fight....why??

Strange people about these days!