Murder in Sussex nightclub

[HampshireSeagulls]

so who determines whether you have drunk too much,

I know if had been in a pub all night and had maybe 7/8 pints and the barman decided i had, had enough i wouldnt be happy, in fact i would be pissed off its ok to take my money till they decide i cant have no more

Actually, they are legally required to stop serving you if they think you have had enough, no matter how pissed off you are. Some pubs will use this as a test of how drunk you are - most people would simply accept the fact and switch to something else, or leave. Those that get arsey tend to be the ones that should have stopped 4 pints ago.

 

[adammicheal]

Actually, they are legally required to stop serving you if they think you have had enough, no matter how pissed off you are. Some pubs will use this as a test of how drunk you are - most people would simply accept the fact and switch to something else, or leave. Those that get arsey tend to be the ones that should have stopped 4 pints ago.

Legally they can refuse to serve any one and dont have to give a reason, So what your saying is if you were out with your mates and you got refused because some bar person decided you have had enough youo would accept what they are saying and go home, even though they were willing to take your money up to that point

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Yep - it's up to them. Bar staff normally have a good reason for refusing someone, they can tell from body language or attitude if that person might be a problem, so if you get refused, you move on. If you don't, you stand a good change of being moved on.

 

[adammicheal]

Yep - it's up to them. Bar staff normally have a good reason for refusing someone, they can tell from body language or attitude if that person might be a problem, so if you get refused, you move on. If you don't, you stand a good change of being moved on.

I wish i lived in your world because all the pubs i have lived in and worked in the chances of someone leaving because i have decided they have had enough are virtually nil

 

[Napper]

Comments that appear on here by Wookie, Dougal, Das Reich make it very obvious that there's plenty of bellends around who would always be up for a scrap and to cause trouble.

QUOTE]

Weird thing to say mate

 

[Evil Edna]

Surely raising the price of alcohol would have much more effect than just lowering the drinking age. Makes it much less accessible and more of a luxury...

That would not be a good for the pubs that are already finding it hard to keep trade going with the smoking ban already hitting them hard.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Surely raising the price of alcohol would have much more effect than just lowering the drinking age. Makes it much less accessible and more of a luxury...

Why should people who can drink without fighting be punished because of some ***** who cant?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

There was no knife.

There was no bottle nor any other weapon.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I wish i lived in your world because all the pubs i have lived in and worked in the chances of someone leaving because i have decided they have had enough are virtually nil

You should have employed me and my mates then!

 

[beorhthelm]

Exactly. The problem is that retailers/clubs don't care who they sell to because more sales = more profit. Anyone arrested for offences relating to drink should be banned from town centres everywhere for 12 months. You can't stop them drinking but you can stop them ruining it for everyone else.

or more to the point, actually detect and fine/shut down those stores and corner shops that sell to the underage, arrest and fine/imprison those who buy for underaged and so on. the laws already exist just need applying.

so who determines whether you have drunk too much,

I know if had been in a pub all night and had maybe 7/8 pints and the barman decided i had, had enough i wouldnt be happy, in fact i would be pissed off its ok to take my money till they decide i cant have no more

I wish i lived in your world because all the pubs i have lived in and worked in the chances of someone leaving because i have decided they have had enough are virtually nil

hmm, contrast bwteen the first and second replies indicates that although you worked in bars you didnt know/apply the law. seems we've found the root of the problem, if it became common that people knew they would be refused if pissed, they might not get to that state. and as HampshireSeagulls points out, those that kick off at being refused definatly should not be there anymore.

 

[happypig]

A pub I used to drink in, early 1990s, would not serve people who came in pissed up at half 10 but were happy to serve people who had been drinking there all evening. Their reasoning was that if someone has been drinking all night and isn't being a twat, then they will be ok getting a bit more drunk; a drunk coming in at the end of the evening is an unknown quantity.

As for teens pissing it up, I'd favour banning the sale of drink in supermarkets and corner shops. I'd also like to see more publicans in court for serving underage and drunks; if someone is too bladdered to stand up, then whoever sold them the last drink should be prosecuted (although it wouldn't be easy, as they would be too pissed to say where they had been)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

its ok to take my money till they decide i cant have no more

I think that just about sums up the law.

Yep. They are allowed to sell you drink, but only up to the point at which they think you've had enough.

If you don't like it ... tough.

 

[Wardy]

Legally they can refuse to serve any one and dont have to give a reason, So what your saying is if you were out with your mates and you got refused because some bar person decided you have had enough youo would accept what they are saying and go home, even though they were willing to take your money up to that point

The BIG difference is that they can refuse you at any time. But they must refuse you if you have had to much. It is their interpretation of too much not yours. A good landlord / bar person will warn you before hand by saying something like this is the last pint you are having etc. That way the person can make a decision what they are going to do.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wookiee finds a news article related to some sort of violence - check
Dougal makes some half-brained comment - check

Just waiting for Das Reich now...

 

[NMH]

Das Reich? He can lay into a keyboard real horrorshows, it's frightening

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Das Reich? He can lay into a keyboard real horrorshows, it's frightening

i could tell you a few stories

 

[NMH]

I used to work on doors in Portsmouth and Plymouth when I was younger, and it got stupid. It was alright having a drunk take a few swings, he would normally fall over and just need a quick slap and removing from the entry, but the fights inside got worse. In the old days you could almost shout and they would stop, but eventually you had to steam in otherwise you would end up coming off worse - if you went in trying to discuss it, you were going to come off worse - better to send out the message that people would be very, very stupid to mess around, so you cracked a few heads and broke a few noses. Not so much the alcohol, but some sort of change in attitude to be honest. People seemed to need to show how hard they were, especially in a bar that was known to be rough. It was OK when it was fists and feet (and heads) because you always knew you had the edge over a drinker (and most of the sober ones, to be honest). It changed when people started coming in with weapons, or using the ones inside the bars. You can only disarm people so many times before the odds start falling against you. I worked with guys that were martial arts trained, same as me, and we still had injuries. It got to the point where you had to consider hitting them with a chair, or worse. Clubs should have introduced stricter policies, and installed metal detecting wands, but the owners don't want the expense, or the delays in scanning people - it's almost like they are willing to take a couple of weeks bad press in exchange for ramming the club full of people. Even if this guy was not stabbed or hit with a weapon, people seem to think it's alright to resort to thumping each other - it's like a badge of honour, but sometimes a slap becomes far worse than that, and the consequences are fatal. Until people start to think before raising their fists, this sort of thing will continue, and alcohol is not the major factor. A change in attitude towards each other is needed.

What bothers me is these turds who get shirty, then when a good guy comes in to stop it, they can't turn off the red-line blood pressure and get into it with them as well. It turned one doorman friend of mine into a dangerous heavy monster - he'd lay out any redfaced twat who was out of control then be jumping on their head once they were down - and HE had to be stopped!

Another friend though, is my self-defense trainer, and he works door as well. He's hilarious though - if anyone faces up to him it's over in a few swift moves....and often there's more than one lad got taught the hard way!

The last time I got in a spot of bother, a doorman came to feel my collar and I shrugged and walked - no need to involve any more, and the perpetrator had to recover his faculties and his pride without me there to watch. The lad was clearly trying to impress his company and failed, even gobbing off about "these old guys" he was accusing of saying something. It must have been embarrassing for him, facing his pals after that. No respect though, the youth of today.

 

[dougdeep]

i could tell you a few stories

How long will it take for you to invent them?

 

[NMH]

i could tell you a few stories

I like a man with a bit of mystery.
So save it.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Used to be a nightmare when I were a teen and a punk in the Medway Towns. Go into Chatham of an evening and there'd be the barracks at the Gillingham top end of the town, Naval dockyard at the bottom of the hill, and all the usual shit town local neds in the middle. Pure EVIL vibe. World War Three each and every week. In the end tho we sussed it. None of these fuckers ever went out Monday thru Wednesday. So that was our time and we went wherever we felt like. Rest of the week we just left them to beat the shit out of each other.