Murder in Sussex nightclub

[The Ringleader]

Rubbish. The English people are so much different to Italians and the problem will definitley get worse.

Plus, if I'm being totally honest I definitely wouldn't want to see 14/15 year olds in night clubs. If you then put an age limit on going into night clubs then it'll be the same anyway. Teenagers can get alcohol with ease anyway.

So you would rather have them walkin the streets? Your probably also come crying on here if teenagers kicked your car etc. And as a teenager it isn't easy to get booze and I'm 6 foot 4. If I had bad memories of drinking as a kid then I doubt I'd be out most weekends with a bottle of vodka

 

[clapham_gull]

I think it's a northern European thing.

The experiment to see whether this country would adapt to a european style cafe society simply hasn't worked.

Not that I'd think changing it back would have any effect either.

Clapham over the last ten years had turned into (to a certain extent) a aplce where people come to get of their heads over the weekend. The council quite happy to allow planning permission for back to back bars open to three in the morning.

And Travelling back on the tube on a Friday night from the West End, it's full of people barely able to stand up.

I have no idea why this doesn't happen in Spain for instance. I haven't seen it in Madrid or Barcelona either.

Funny thing is, is that when I've drunk a few too many in Spain, Italy, France etc.. when the weather is nice and you've been for an evening walk you just don't feel as drunk.

To use the example I posted earlier, the blokes throwing bottles in round would have been drinking all afternoon and left earlier I presume to get even more smashed.

I can't really see how lowering the drinking age would have the slighest effect either. It's simply something about living in Northern Europe.

 

[HseagullsH]

Surely raising the price of alcohol would have much more effect than just lowering the drinking age. Makes it much less accessible and more of a luxury...

 

[beorhthelm]

The experiment to see whether this country would adapt to a european style cafe society simply hasn't worked.
...
Clapham over the last ten years had turned into (to a certain extent) a aplce where people come to get of their heads over the weekend. The council quite happy to allow planning permission for back to back bars open to three in the morning.

i dont know why it "hasnt worked". its only been a couple of years and if truth be told there's alot less all hours drinking that thought. this incident in Eastbourne was apparently shortly after midnight, when such a bar/club would have been open anyway before the the chance to legislation. the example of Clapham proves the point, its goes back way beyond the 24hr drinking was allowed, many bars used to be open till 2 or 3 am anyway.

quite right we haven't changed our drinking habits, but why would we in 4 years? not really very realisitic if that was the aim.

 

[Nibble]

I knew people would take that Sophie Eliis-Bextor song too literally.

Top post! Brilliant. that made me laugh.

 

[Nibble]

just spent 12 days in France near a well sized town, Friday night 11pm and the streets were empty. You would never see that in u.k

That's cos they don't realise the curfew is over.

 

[Nibble]

any reason there sending him castles?

Great use of punctuation in a correction post.

 

[siclean]

right, the plan is ...give everyone a card ..date it and you get it stamped each time you go in a pub and order a drink ..4 drinks max each day... no card = no drink.. anyone caught drinking their own on streets..arrested and fined heavily....problem solved

 

[bhaexpress]

Surely raising the price of alcohol would have much more effect than just lowering the drinking age. Makes it much less accessible and more of a luxury...

No, increasing the price would merely encourage people to commit crime to get the cash they needed.

When I lived in Georgia in the US the Police contain detain any kids under 18 they found wandering the streets between 10PM and 6AM. They would take them to the police station and hold them there until a parent or responsible adult came to collect them. It did reduce the crime levels and there was very little vandalism.

 

[Wardy]

right, the plan is ...give everyone a card ..date it and you get it stamped each time you go in a pub and order a drink ..4 drinks max each day... no card = no drink.. anyone caught drinking their own on streets..arrested and fined heavily....problem solved

Cue black market in cards where people who do not drink sell either their card of the quota on it to someone else.

 

[Bakesy]

See theres been yet another senseless night club killing, this time in eastbourne..fulled no doubt by those who cannot control their temper under the influence of drink... my daughters boyfriends neighbour was killed by a drunk along kings road brighton some months back, by a young lad well well pissed, just looking for trouble, the streets are just not safe at all...is it time to ban alcohol once and for all or limit people to so much ?.. i mean its the cause of so much stress, problems, fights, injuries, deaths, etc etc ...

Says the man who wasn't allowed in Withdean 'coz he was proper SHITFACED

 

[Garage_Doors]

why do people need to fight in the first palce, i mean whats the point ??

Its called alcohol, get rid of that you solve the problem.
Why do people need to drink to have a good time
"What shall we do tonight, let got and get pissed"

We appear to have lost the imagination of what to do for a night out, so it comes dome to the lowest, drinking.

I actually know people who’s soul outlook on life is that they work all week for the pleasure of going drinking at the weekend

But to be fair, i think our leisure activities are being driven this way, most evening leisure facilities seem to account for alcohol being sold,

I remember 30 years ago it was an evening activity but now it seems an all day thing.
Even got people moaning on here about the potential of not being able to get a drink at Falmer at lunchtime for an afternoon game FFS

 

[Skint Gull]

Its called alcohol, get rid of that you solve the problem.


I remember 30 years ago...

You are either very naive or have not been into town at the weekend for a long time.

Comments that appear on here by Wookie, Dougal, Das Reich make it very obvious that there's plenty of bellends around who would always be up for a scrap and to cause trouble, even with people who have no interest in fighting. The drink may give them a bit more brashness to take on all comers but at the end of the day most of the dickheads who get kicked out of places for fighting usually do it on regular occasions.

The basics of this one, as usual, appears to be that the lad who dies was 'chattin' to the girlfriend of the bloke who did it so Billy Big Spuds (who incedently has been banned from several places in Eastbourne before now) gets all macho because of that most horrendous of crimes.

 

[dougdeep]

Surely raising the price of alcohol would have much more effect than just lowering the drinking age. Makes it much less accessible and more of a luxury...

Great idea, and perhaps we should also increase tax on food to stop obesity and on nappys to persuade teenagers from getting pregnant.

 

[beorhthelm]

right, the plan is ...give everyone a card ..date it and you get it stamped each time you go in a pub and order a drink ..4 drinks max each day... no card = no drink.. anyone caught drinking their own on streets..arrested and fined heavily....problem solved

what crap. why should i or anyone be restricted to 4 drinks because others cant handle theirs?

the actual solution is already there in law and always has been: refuse to serve someone who is obviously intoxicated. difficult in pubs/bars daytime due to potential for conflict, no excuse in the evening with doorman there. like so many issues today, the problem isnt going to be fixed by new legislation, but by applying and enforcing the existing legislation. but no, have to be "seen" to tackle the problem, invent ASBOs or on the spot fines instead throwing people in jail for a few days/weeks.

 

[sir albion]

why do people need to fight in the first palce, i mean whats the point ??

Why do animals fight?it revolves around the same things

R.I.P to the young lad

 

[drew]

oh totally, completely agree

just looking at different perspective that some bloke who isn't a murderer is now getting his head round the fact that he now is.

As for the geezer that died......yeah awful.

Be suprised if it was unprovoked though

Post seems to be slightly biased towards the perpetrator rather than the victim. Why would you be surprised if it was totally unprovoked? What do you count as provocation. Looking at someone. Talking to their girlfriend or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

what crap. why should i or anyone be restricted to 4 drinks because others cant handle theirs?

the actual solution is already there in law and always has been: refuse to serve someone who is obviously intoxicated. difficult in pubs/bars daytime due to potential for conflict, no excuse in the evening with doorman there. like so many issues today, the problem isnt going to be fixed by new legislation, but by applying and enforcing the existing legislation. but no, have to be "seen" to tackle the problem, invent ASBOs or on the spot fines instead throwing people in jail for a few days/weeks.

Exactly. The problem is that retailers/clubs don't care who they sell to because more sales = more profit. Anyone arrested for offences relating to drink should be banned from town centres everywhere for 12 months. You can't stop them drinking but you can stop them ruining it for everyone else.

 

[adammicheal]

so who determines whether you have drunk too much,

I know if had been in a pub all night and had maybe 7/8 pints and the barman decided i had, had enough i wouldnt be happy, in fact i would be pissed off its ok to take my money till they decide i cant have no more

 

[The Wookiee]

Comments that appear on here by Wookie, Dougal, Das Reich make it very obvious that there's plenty of bellends around who would always be up for a scrap and to cause trouble,

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I used to work on doors in Portsmouth and Plymouth when I was younger, and it got stupid. It was alright having a drunk take a few swings, he would normally fall over and just need a quick slap and removing from the entry, but the fights inside got worse. In the old days you could almost shout and they would stop, but eventually you had to steam in otherwise you would end up coming off worse - if you went in trying to discuss it, you were going to come off worse - better to send out the message that people would be very, very stupid to mess around, so you cracked a few heads and broke a few noses. Not so much the alcohol, but some sort of change in attitude to be honest. People seemed to need to show how hard they were, especially in a bar that was known to be rough. It was OK when it was fists and feet (and heads) because you always knew you had the edge over a drinker (and most of the sober ones, to be honest). It changed when people started coming in with weapons, or using the ones inside the bars. You can only disarm people so many times before the odds start falling against you. I worked with guys that were martial arts trained, same as me, and we still had injuries. It got to the point where you had to consider hitting them with a chair, or worse. Clubs should have introduced stricter policies, and installed metal detecting wands, but the owners don't want the expense, or the delays in scanning people - it's almost like they are willing to take a couple of weeks bad press in exchange for ramming the club full of people. Even if this guy was not stabbed or hit with a weapon, people seem to think it's alright to resort to thumping each other - it's like a badge of honour, but sometimes a slap becomes far worse than that, and the consequences are fatal. Until people start to think before raising their fists, this sort of thing will continue, and alcohol is not the major factor. A change in attitude towards each other is needed.