Mr Poyet..

[Goldstone Rapper]

The odd thing is, Mullery is a legend among fans, but seems to be barely recognised by the club.

We have pictures of Leon Knight, Paul Rogers and Guy Butters on the wall outside the Amex, all reasonable players but hardly legends, yet not a trace of the only manager ever to take Brighton & Hove Albion into the top division? Bizarre.

This. It is very strange to hear the attempts by some Albion fans to undercut Mullery's achievements, to imply that he didn't do anything other than pick Peter Taylor's side to get Brighton promoted twice in three seasons and keep them in the top flight for two seasons. And then to make out his second spell was a disaster when he actually did a reasonable job despite having to release or sell many senior players.

Is it all a vendetta because Mullery had a spell at Crystal Palace? In which case, it all seems unfair as Coppell and Taylor II also had spells in charge at Palace and their achievements don't get the same treatment.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I'll edit that for you
Tomas for Brez: MASSIVLY MASSIVE Improvement
Bridge for Marcus P: MASSIVE Improvement
Bruno for Calde: MASSIVE Improvement
Crofts for Navarro: Improvement:

But those signings, whilst shoring up the defense, are not going to generate extra goals for us.

Vicente looked a different class against Chelseas "stars", yet we won one game with him starting last season, out of about a dozen.

Buckley looks on fire.

CMS is not a striker to pump the ball in the air too, yet it seems thats all he got to work with.

LuaLua is unstoppable on his day, but is in and out of the side like a yo-yo and this does not suit a player like him. The wingers never got a decent run. We have the players now, we just need to use them correctly, and if Gus sticks to his guns with this unbalanced formation, I think we'll struggle as teams have sussed it out. He has to change the way he plays to suit the excellent squad he has built, because the squad isn't good enough to play the way he wants, and I doubt there are many squads in England that are.

So many people go on about our record re when Vicente played for us last season...r u suggesting that we would have done better without him...what about the other ten guys who played in those matches...aren't they equally responsible? Are you suggesting that perhaps because of this 'record' we shouldn't play him? It's history the guy can only benefit our team and to my mind we will get better..but there's ten others who need to do a job

 

[TottonSeagull]

Would that be the Barry Lloyd that had to sell to keep the club afloat, come off it, we were on a downward spiral that even Gus would struggle with, to criticise Lloyd for that is very unfair.

The Barry Lloyd who thought Richard Tiltman was a better player then Dean Saunders so sold Saunders to Oxford for £60K? Not in the same ball park as Gus IMHO.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

The Barry Lloyd who took a team 15th in Division Two in January 1987, well clear of the relegation zone, and presided over two wins in the rest of the league campaign. Is he really in with a shout of being our greatest manager?

 

[TottonSeagull]

The Barry Lloyd who took a team 15th in Division Two in January 1987, well clear of the relegation zone, and presided over two wins in the rest of the league campaign. Is he really in with a shout of being our greatest manager?

The very same man who stabbed Mullery in the back and earnt alot of money from BHA as managing director under Archer? One of life's cling ons!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

What would this vote have looked like last December i wonder.

Its all a matter of time-Gus is king he has replaced Steve Coppell as my favourite manager and despite his Palace connections he will remain in 2nd place for a long time to come.

 

[chucky1973]

no.

If he sees out his 5 year plan nad it works, then maybe.
(and if we get 6 points of Palace this year, then yes as well)

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

no.

If he sees out his 5 year plan nad it works, then maybe.
(and if we get 6 points of Palace this year, then yes as well)

Some great managers/players/people in general struggle lower down-Gus is finding it hard work-put him in the Premier and he will flourish-the same cannot be said about many many previous mangers at Brighton who are put in front of Gus.

 

[Martinf]

The Barry Lloyd who took a team 15th in Division Two in January 1987, well clear of the relegation zone, and presided over two wins in the rest of the league campaign. Is he really in with a shout of being our greatest manager?

And continued to play John Crumplin , year after year, even though everyone could see he was about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

 

[Mr Burns]

So many people go on about our record re when Vicente played for us last season...r u suggesting that we would have done better without him...what about the other ten guys who played in those matches...aren't they equally responsible? Are you suggesting that perhaps because of this 'record' we shouldn't play him? It's history the guy can only benefit our team and to my mind we will get better..but there's ten others who need to do a job

What I am suggesting in my case, is Poyet didn't pick the team around him, the same as he didn't with CMS. I think any manager should play to the strengths of his squad, Poyet doesn't do that. He has his system,and no one will change it, even if its glaringly obvious, as it was at the end of last season, that he hasn't the players to play it.

If Poyet was named Barcelona manager tomorrow, his system would be perfect with the players that he would have available to him. In the championship and most of the premiership, its not going to work week in week out. Teams suss you out, and the players ae not good enough to rise above it. That's not a dig at the players, I think only one or two squads in the premiership would play it consistantly.

Vicente is the best player in the championship bar none as far as I can see, so its not his fault we only won once when he started. It's not the other 10 players fault either. It the way are told to play. Any team with Vicente. CMS, Buckley, LuaLua, Noone attacking for them should score plenty of goals. We never did, and as I said bar Doncaster had fewer shots then any other team in the division. It's not the players, its the system. And that has to play firmly at the feet of the man who picks the system.

See the comment I made earlier about how Gillingham found our style. Teams love playing against it.

It's not pretty football. it's f***ing boring.

get the ball.

Kill it.

Knock it around.

Kill it.

Knock it around again

Then attack.

Then wonder why teams park 11 players behind the ball (not exactly hard given the time we give them to get back) and then wonder why we only get a couple of shots away each game an end up the second lowest for having shots in the division, despite the attacking talent we have. It's very hard to break down a team of 11 defenders, as last season proved.

And half the people on here say Poyet is the best manager we've ever had!!!...... and its not even 1st April!!!!

 

[Mr Burns]

What would this vote have looked like last December i wonder.

I wonder what the result would have looked like 12 minutes into the West Ham game in April, when being only 3-0 completely flattered us.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

I wonder what the result would have looked like 12 minutes into the West Ham game in April, when being only 3-0 completely flattered us.

Hmm-yes but we blew if after the Boro draw imo-so that don't count we had gone to pieces and Westham were desperate by then.

 

[Silent Bob]

Immense bumping potential in here.

 

[Martinf]

I wonder what the result would have looked like 12 minutes into the West Ham game in April, when being only 3-0 completely flattered us.

Poyet's a long way off being our legend Manager but credit him - won League one playing his system (stayed top of the league for fricken ages) and then in our first season in the Champ consolidated and finished in a posi that the majority of fans would have taken before the start of the season. You're obviously not his biggest fan lol but you seem to be totally ignoring the good stuff and dwelling on weaknesses. Just saying.

 

[LamieRobertson]

What I am suggesting in my case, is Poyet didn't pick the team around him, the same as he didn't with CMS. I think any manager should play to the strengths of his squad, Poyet doesn't do that. He has his system,and no one will change it, even if its glaringly obvious, as it was at the end of last season, that he hasn't the players to play it.

If Poyet was named Barcelona manager tomorrow, his system would be perfect with the players that he would have available to him. In the championship and most of the premiership, its not going to work week in week out. Teams suss you out, and the players ae not good enough to rise above it. That's not a dig at the players, I think only one or two squads in the premiership would play it consistantly.

Vicente is the best player in the championship bar none as far as I can see, so its not his fault we only won once when he started. It's not the other 10 players fault either. It the way are told to play. Any team with Vicente. CMS, Buckley, LuaLua, Noone attacking for them should score plenty of goals. We never did, and as I said bar Doncaster had fewer shots then any other team in the division. It's not the players, its the system. And that has to play firmly at the feet of the man who picks the system.

See the comment I made earlier about how Gillingham found our style. Teams love playing against it.

It's not pretty football. it's f***ing boring.

get the ball.

Kill it.

Knock it around.

Kill it.

Knock it around again

Then attack.

Then wonder why teams park 11 players behind the ball (not exactly hard given the time we give them to get back) and then wonder why we only get a couple of shots away each game an end up the second lowest for having shots in the division, despite the attacking talent we have. It's very hard to break down a team of 11 defenders, as last season proved.

And half the people on here say Poyet is the best manager we've ever had!!!...... and its not even 1st April!!!!

Did u ever watch Brighton under Mike Bailey?

Ps And the top ten?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Poyet's a long way off being our legend Manager but credit him - won League one playing his system (stayed top of the league for fricken ages) and then in our first season in the Champ consolidated and finished in a posi that the majority of fans would have taken before the start of the season. You're obviously not his biggest fan lol but you seem to be totally ignoring the good stuff and dwelling on weaknesses. Just saying.

You're right but Mr Burns does have a few points, not wishing to dwell on any weaknesses but two do stick out. Firstly in the West Ham game it was obvious from kick off WH were going to stop us from playing out from the back. We still attempted to do this and gave them the ball in such dangerous areas. Poyet should have immediately dumped his tactics and got the goalie to kick long down the wings and give our defence time to reorganize, he didn't. Secondly some of the team selections were bordering on the insane and imo gave us very little chance of a positive result. Hopefully he'll learn from last season.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I wonder what the result would have looked like 12 minutes into the West Ham game in April, when being only 3-0 completely flattered us.

Hopefully people wouldn't have been so dumb to pick one moment in time but achievements over the whole time a manager has been in charge.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Did u ever watch Brighton under Mike Bailey?

Ps And the top ten?

They say good sides are built from the back and Mike Bailey took this to the extreme, by the time he tried to change it most people had died from boredom!

 

[LamieRobertson]

You're right but Mr Burns does have a few points, not wishing to dwell on any weaknesses but two do stick out. Firstly in the West Ham game it was obvious from kick off WH were going to stop us from playing out from the back. We still attempted to do this and gave them the ball in such dangerous areas. Poyet should have immediately dumped his tactics and got the goalie to kick long down the wings and give our defence time to reorganize, he didn't. Secondly some of the team selections were bordering on the insane and imo gave us very little chance of a positive result. Hopefully he'll learn from last season.

And the guy has never said he's perfect ..not many are ...and we could all nitpick until end of time

 

[LamieRobertson]

They say good sides are built from the back and Mike Bailey took this to the extreme, by the time he tried to change it most people had died from boredom!

Lol...I remember it well...highest finish ever under him? Just amused me saying this Brighton team are boring he should have watched back then....or maybe he did