Mr Poyet..

[Mellotron]

How can people still not understand that he was focusing on making us hard to beat in the Champ first, EXACTLY as he did in first season in League One. Then he bought Casper, Paints and Calde. This time it's Kusz, Bridge and Bruno.

We will definitely be more attacking this season and score more goals. It's a basic and simple pattern, surprised its gone over so many heads.

 

[kemptown seagull]

I wouldn't even put Poyet in the top 5.

Apart from the obvious Mullery, and Peter Taylor who built the side Mullery got promoted, I'd place Coppell, Cattlin, and Barry Lloyd above Poyet, when you consider whay they done with what they had.

If our end of season league form continues over into this season, then Poyet will be sacked by the end of September.

He's built a great squad, but until he plays to its strengths, then he's miles away from earning legendary status.

This squad is good enough to finish in the top 5. I have doubts the manager is good enough to get them there.

Gus will never play to our strengths and will always play baffling teams. And as for best manager ever no chance and never Will. Really can't see poyet taking us to the promise land.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

The odd thing is, Mullery is a legend among fans, but seems to be barely recognised by the club.

We have pictures of Leon Knight, Paul Rogers and Guy Butters on the wall outside the Amex, all reasonable players but hardly legends, yet not a trace of the only manager ever to take Brighton & Hove Albion into the top division? Bizarre.

Couldn't agree more, quite puzzling.

 

[Mr Burns]

Gus deserves to be Top 3 based purely on style of play already. The technically most impressive and intelligent football Albion have ever played.

Mmmm. Even though only DOncaster, the first side to be relagated, had fewer shots on goal than us last year? I wouldn't called it a very intelligent style of football, when it doesn't actually lead you you having many shots. After all, if you don't shot, you don't score, if you don't score you don't win games. And what makes it so annoying, is he has the attacking players at the club, he just doesn't use them, and prefers a style of play that other sides find comfortable enough to play against, and can stop us troubling their goal to much.

If Poyet got a "Dream Job" tomorrow (which he won't because no one would take the risk on him yet) , I would not be concerned one little bit. We'd get a top manager who would take this division by storm with the squad that Poyet's built. Can't fault him on that. He just need to use them better, and that's why I laugh when people are saying he's the best manager we've ever had.

I'll accept this one. He's the best manager we've had in the past three years. I'll grant you that!

 

[Mr Burns]

Gus will never play to our strengths and will always play baffling teams. And as for best manager ever no chance and never Will. Really can't see poyet taking us to the promise land.

Yayyyy. Someone else who hasn't gone all googy at the knees after yesterdays game!!

 

[Mr Burns]

Got 6 posts in and someone suggests Barry Lloyd is above him .

One of the most ridiculous things I've read on here this summer and there have been plenty to choose from .

As a result , I'm out

What, the Barry Lloyd who took us to the play off final for a place in the premiership, with a lot less at his disposle then Poyet? Not that ridiculous me thinks.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He's never top three at the moment. The big worry I have with Poyet, is he does not put thing right quick enough. A run of 12 without a win, and then a seperate run of one win in ten last season is my concern. He should have forgot his pretty football, and just tried to win games at any cost. His formation is a dream to some sides. How many times did teams come to the Amex and stick 11 players and the bus behind the ball, and we have no way through. This is why we were one of the lowest scoring side in the division last year, this is why CMS struggled to find goals.

Teams sussed us out, and Poyet couldn't or more to the point wouldn't change the style. We have three of the best wingers in the division, along with Vicente, CMS, yet we struggled to score goals. Why? f*** about with the ball in defense for 5 or 6 passes, you give the opposistion time to group behind the ball, and they did, and we couldn't break them down. Look at yesterday, can't remember how the third started, but the first two goals, were then we hit them on the break. THat's not Gus' style, he'd rather have seen the ball killed dead, and brought out from the back. Hitting teams on the break is not Gus' style at all.

Someone that played for Gillingham summed it up after the league cup game, when he said we thought they would murder and us, and they could have, but they were just too slow getting forward and we just parked the bus and they couldn't break us down. We let them play with it all day long across their back line.

And we couldn't break them down, an average 2nd division side, and it took if I remember correctly an Ashley Barnes penatly to win the game in extra time.

Looking at some of the other names people have put here and the reasons why, I doubt Poyets in the top ten at the moment.

But hey, we beat Chelsea in a friendly yesterday, so he has to be the greatest right?

It made me chuckle that you couldn't remember how the third goal started as the ball was won by Barnes, he was tackled by Luiz and Crofts ran onto the ball.

Yes, there were games where we couldn't break down the opposition but that's because the midfield was packed with defensive midfielders to protect the defence. Now the defence has been strengthened with quality full backs, the midfield stronger with Crofts in it, which means Vicente and the wingers can now attack the goal. We didn't have much luck with injuries to our wingers who all suffered hamstring problems to one extent or another. Rome wasn't built in a day and as I said he's learning but learning quickly. It has been one season for him so far as his assistant managerial experience was at League 1 level with Swindon & Leeds. The Championship was new to him.

 

[Mr Burns]

It made me chuckle that you couldn't remember how the third goal started as the ball was won by Barnes, he was tackled by Luiz and Crofts ran onto the ball.

Yes, there were games where we couldn't break down the opposition but that's because the midfield was packed with defensive midfielders to protect the defence. Now the defence has been strengthened with quality full backs, the midfield stronger with Crofts in it, which means Vicente and the wingers can now attack the goal. We didn't have much luck with injuries to our wingers who all suffered hamstring problems to one extent or another. Rome wasn't built in a day and as I said he's learning but learning quickly. It has been one season for him so far as his assistant managerial experience was at League 1 level with Swindon & Leeds. The Championship was new to him.

Ha Ha I know if come from Barnes being fouled but that was deep in the Chelsea half, but whilst the other two were break aways, I don't recall how it got to Barnes.

With regards the the rest of your point, how can anyone seriously call him the best we've had, when as you say he's still learning and has only had one season in the second tier.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Ha Ha I know if come from Barnes being fouled but that was deep in the Chelsea half, but whilst the other two were break aways, I don't recall how it got to Barnes.

With regards the the rest of your point, how can anyone seriously call him the best we've had, when as you say he's still learning and has only had one season in the second tier.

I'm not saying he's the best we have unlike some on here, but he is in my top 3 which is where we started.

 

[Napper]

The Barry Lloyd who took us to the play off final for a place in the premiership, with a lot less at his disposle then Poyet? Not that risiculous me thinks.

Ok I'm replying . Lloyd had money , 115k bissett, 100k codner, 100k farrington all big big money at the time . Not to mention what he sold for pennies and replaced with non league .

The main point in Lloyd v Poyet would be a comparison of what they took over and what they left . Lloyd left us with absolute run down shit team in a lower league position than he took over regardless of off field stuff .
Crazy comparison

 

[El Presidente]

The odd thing is, Mullery is a legend among fans, but seems to be barely recognised by the club.

We have pictures of Leon Knight, Paul Rogers and Guy Butters on the wall outside the Amex, all reasonable players but hardly legends, yet not a trace of the only manager ever to take Brighton & Hove Albion into the top division? Bizarre.

He did however then go on to manage a certain other club............

 

[El Presidente]

This squad is good enough to finish in the top 5.

Not quite sure I agree with you there. It certainly wasn't the case last season, when we had a moderate keeper, full backs who were regularly done for pace, and a solid but unspectacular midfield. Whilst the wingers look good on their day, those days were too few and far between for my liking. I wouldn't have put the strikers in the top five of the division either.

If we look at the changes then there is promise however for the season ahead

Tomas for Brez: Improvement
Bridge for Marcus P: Improvement
Bruno for Calde: Improvement
Crofts for Navarro: Improvement:

However, we don't have the same money to spend as many other clubs in this division, due to parachute payments, and benefactors more willing to pay big wages than TB (Forest and Leicester for example).

I know I am a bit obsessed with the financial side of things, but ultimately that makes the difference IMO, you only have to look at the signings made in January of the three promoted teams in West Ham (Vaz Te for £2mill), Reading (Jason Roberts on £25k a week) and Southampton (Billy Sharp for £2 million). We signed Sam Vokes who was okay, but didn't help us to push on.

 

[El Presidente]

Ok I'm replying . Lloyd had money , 115k bissett, 100k codner, 100k farrington all big big money at the time . Not to mention what he sold for pennies and replaced with non league .

The main point in Lloyd v Poyet would be a comparison of what they took over and what they left . Lloyd left us with absolute run down shit team in a lower league position than he took over regardless of off field stuff .
Crazy comparison

Lloyd's money was spread over a very long time though. For the final few seasons with him in charge the club was being run for the benefit of Barclays Bank, not the fans.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Ok I'm replying . Lloyd had money , 115k bissett, 100k codner, 100k farrington all big big money at the time . Not to mention what he sold for pennies and replaced with non league .

The main point in Lloyd v Poyet would be a comparison of what they took over and what they left . Lloyd left us with absolute run down shit team in a lower league position than he took over regardless of off field stuff .
Crazy comparison

Would that be the Barry Lloyd that had to sell to keep the club afloat, come off it, we were on a downward spiral that even Gus would struggle with, to criticise Lloyd for that is very unfair.

 

[Mr Burns]

Seriously if 55% of people think Poyet's our best manager ever, then we are going to become a laughing stock on so many other fan sites.

He would struggle to get in my top ten at the moment.

The best ever?? Do me a f***ing favour!!!


Maybe the question should have been, is Poyet the best manager since you followed the Albion? We may have been able to argue a case when other team start laughing at us.

But best ever, that is laughable.

 

[Mr Burns]

Ok I'm replying . Lloyd had money , 115k bissett, 100k codner, 100k farrington all big big money at the time . Not to mention what he sold for pennies and replaced with non league .

The main point in Lloyd v Poyet would be a comparison of what they took over and what they left . Lloyd left us with absolute run down shit team in a lower league position than he took over regardless of off field stuff .
Crazy comparison

You obviosuly have a good understanding of the history of our club

 

[ees complicated no?]

Yes- in my time.
No - Im sure there have been better managers in the past and I still think he has to show hes the best albion manager by getting us in the prem and staying there for a while.

 

[Mr Burns]

Not quite sure I agree with you there. It certainly wasn't the case last season, when we had a moderate keeper, full backs who were regularly done for pace, and a solid but unspectacular midfield. Whilst the wingers look good on their day, those days were too few and far between for my liking. I wouldn't have put the strikers in the top five of the division either.

If we look at the changes then there is promise however for the season ahead

Tomas for Brez: Improvement
Bridge for Marcus P: Improvement
Bruno for Calde: Improvement
Crofts for Navarro: Improvement:

However, we don't have the same money to spend as many other clubs in this division, due to parachute payments, and benefactors more willing to pay big wages than TB (Forest and Leicester for example).

I know I am a bit obsessed with the financial side of things, but ultimately that makes the difference IMO, you only have to look at the signings made in January of the three promoted teams in West Ham (Vaz Te for £2mill), Reading (Jason Roberts on £25k a week) and Southampton (Billy Sharp for £2 million). We signed Sam Vokes who was okay, but didn't help us to push on.

I'll edit that for you
Tomas for Brez: MASSIVLY MASSIVE Improvement
Bridge for Marcus P: MASSIVE Improvement
Bruno for Calde: MASSIVE Improvement
Crofts for Navarro: Improvement:

But those signings, whilst shoring up the defense, are not going to generate extra goals for us.

Vicente looked a different class against Chelseas "stars", yet we won one game with him starting last season, out of about a dozen.

Buckley looks on fire.

CMS is not a striker to pump the ball in the air too, yet it seems thats all he got to work with.

LuaLua is unstoppable on his day, but is in and out of the side like a yo-yo and this does not suit a player like him. The wingers never got a decent run. We have the players now, we just need to use them correctly, and if Gus sticks to his guns with this unbalanced formation, I think we'll struggle as teams have sussed it out. He has to change the way he plays to suit the excellent squad he has built, because the squad isn't good enough to play the way he wants, and I doubt there are many squads in England that are.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Seriously if 55% of people think Poyet's our best manager ever, then we are going to become a laughing stock on so many other fan sites.

He would struggle to get in my top ten at the moment.

The best ever?? Do me a f***ing favour!!!


Maybe the question should have been, is Poyet the best manager since you followed the Albion? We may have been able to argue a case when other team start laughing at us.

But best ever, that is laughable.

What's your top ten?

 

[Seagull on the wing]

He has clearly identified the weaknesses from last season and so far seems to have got the right players to rectify this. If he gets us to the Premier League within the next couple of seasons, then yes he will be our greatest ever manager. At the moment that honour is still with Alan Mullery (first time round) IMHO.

First time round...second rubbish, therefore for that reason I'm out. Gus is by far the best manager in my 54 years of support because he changed the way of play in such a short time... which no other manager has.....