Dick Swiveller
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[News] MPs defecting to The Independent Group in parliament
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Oh BS, don't be so pathetic.
I am lying in my sickbed at the moment feeling rather unwell and quite frankly have got neither the energy nor inclination to enter into a long discourse with you or anybody else.
You don't like me because I don't agree with you, just leave it at that, shall we?
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Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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I saw Frank Skinner play in Brighton some years back and he suggested that West Brom's fortunes were linked to thsoe of the Labour Party: good in the seventies, dropped in the eighties to rise again in the late nineties. He joked that given our solitary period of success in the early eighties, Brighton's fortunes might be similarly linked to the SDP.
Okay, the government's in disarray and instead of looking like a feasible alternative, the opposition is destroying itself, the union is breaking up, the economy is heading into a hole and the country is turning into the stagnating isolationist China of the 15th century, but let's get our priorities right: We're gonna win the cup!
Okay, the government's in disarray and instead of looking like a feasible alternative, the opposition is destroying itself, the union is breaking up, the economy is heading into a hole and the country is turning into the stagnating isolationist China of the 15th century, but let's get our priorities right: We're gonna win the cup!
That would put the cat amongst the pigeons but I doubt they will have the balls to do it as it would effectively bring down the government. Only 7 so far and I hope there is a good reaction but they will need another 15/20 to join them to get some momentum (for want of a better phrase) to make a difference.
JCL666
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- Sep 23, 2011
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Previously I would have agreed, but unfortunately the Lib Dems totally screwed themselves by going into coalition and taking the fall for a number of the policies.
They probably don't want to be associated with that.
1066familyman
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Tory boy Chuka Umunna to lead the new lot no doubt. Good riddance.
beorhthelm
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until something resembling a party is formed, an outline manifesto to start with, this is just some Labour MPs unhappy with their leadership, nothing something any Tory MP would leave for.
Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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A day to celebrate Splitters...
Seeing a lot of Corbyn supporters (and Corbyn himself) citing the last GE as evidence that he's doing a good job and thus that the 7 who have resigned are somehow wrong to do so.
Unfortunately, Corbyn/Labour increasing their vote share in that GE has a lot more to do with how poorly May / the Tories are doing in Government than anything Corbyn may or may not have done.
I'm hoping this splinter group proves to be a catalyst for some genuine change in UK politics, as the political landscape here has been FUBAR ever since the Lib Dems (wrongly) took the blame from voters for the Tory austerity policies. We have a political system currently where the party of the right has been pulled too far right (initially in fear of UKIP, more latterly in fear of their home-grown ERG sub-party), and the party of the left is too far left. And both parties are being headed up by incompetent politicians, which has resulted in the current political debate being mostly framed by backbenchers and the unelected press.
Unfortunately, Corbyn/Labour increasing their vote share in that GE has a lot more to do with how poorly May / the Tories are doing in Government than anything Corbyn may or may not have done.
I'm hoping this splinter group proves to be a catalyst for some genuine change in UK politics, as the political landscape here has been FUBAR ever since the Lib Dems (wrongly) took the blame from voters for the Tory austerity policies. We have a political system currently where the party of the right has been pulled too far right (initially in fear of UKIP, more latterly in fear of their home-grown ERG sub-party), and the party of the left is too far left. And both parties are being headed up by incompetent politicians, which has resulted in the current political debate being mostly framed by backbenchers and the unelected press.
It's not like they have anything else to cling to, so their great success is that they didn't lose by as much as was expected.
We've never had such poor options on the ballot paper.
Sussex Nomad
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Jobbing politicians, cocooned in their own world, where greed is the player. They don't, won't and can't vote for their constituents, they never do. There is no such thing as democracy when politicians vote for themselves. Sadly, this has always been the case. Agree with what I've quoted above.
KZNSeagull
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Angela Smith just said on Politics Live that she had to tell her constituents that JC had no chance of winning the last election so they should not be afraid to vote Labour, as many of them had expressed severe reservations about JC becoming PM. Laura Kuenssberg then confirmed this by saying that this is the first time this had been spoken about openly by an MP, but she is aware of several other Labour MPs who had to do something similar in the last election.
Tooting Gull
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I think the best comparison I have seen so far is that the 'Seven' are like Geri Halliwell - overestimating their viability away from the rest. Even though apparently she had a couple of big hits afterwards.
Weststander
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I had a look at all the main manifestos for a couple of elections (the sanitised online versions with bullet points). I’ve voted for Lucas, (Blair) in 1997 and Tory.
Sadly the vast majority of voters fall for the propaganda of their parents, school/uni teachers and media. Not said as an anti Labour dig, the deliberate tarring of all parties with falsehoods and exaggerations cuts across the entire spectrum.
studio150
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Four number one singles, eight top ten singles and two top ten albums, which on that basis would indicate some success for at least a short period of time.
I'll chip in with some elucidation. [MENTION=13368]BLOCK F[/MENTION] can correct me if I'm wrong:
'record membership' of half a million means that every left winger has been able to join, and will stay joined because it gives the left absolute control over the constitution and who becomes labour leader. The checks and balances that allowed any lefty to join were not there. Corbyn cannot be removed by the democratic processes in the labour party now. And they were created by Ed Milliband. Having a big membership is irrelevant - half a million is a tiny fraction of the electorate, and yet it probably includes 90% of the nation's fervant Corbyn supporters. This is why....
The failure of labour to defeat Mrs May was a disgrace. Yes, it was an enormous success for Corbyn, but only because everyone expected Corbyn to do worse than he did. He still led labour to defeat in an election any half decent labour leader would have absolutely walked.
I recall after the last election Corbyn supporters interviewed on the radio describeing the result as a victory. Righty ho. Like our victory agains Burnley recently.
'No compromise with the electorate'.
You apparent denial of these basic truths is why [MENTION=13368]BLOCK F[/MENTION] called you, deluded I suspect.I'll be more generous and say 'overy optimistic'......
ManOfSussex
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Very nice they were too. As well as having a couple of big hits, she also had 4 UK No.1's.
Except one suspects that Chuka Umunna differs from Corbyn somewhat more than the people's front of Judea differ from the popular front of Judea....
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
What you and [MENTION=13368]BLOCK F[/MENTION] have both missed is that I wasn't extolling the virtues of Corbyn's Labour, I was merely countering the post that said he was the worst party leader in living memory.
You've both extrapolated that into me saying it was some great success, I wasn't, but neither was it the worst lperformance in living memory. My post was that simple in reply to another assertion.
There was nothing I said to be deluded about. The two of you both need to read posts in their context without jumping to conclusions you've bought to the table yourselves.