Ministers rule out smacking ban

[WATFORD zero]

Has anyone ever seen Nibble and Looney at the same time

*edit* Nibble has gone and put a reasonable well thought out post in before mine and made me look ridiculous

 

[Shizuoka Dolphin]

For goodness sake, shouldn't this go in the smacking thread? LAX moderation on the merge front...

 

[Nibble]

For goodness sake, shouldn't this go in the smacking thread? LAX moderation on the merge front...

Ohhh, let a few people read my reasonable post on the previous page befor consigning it to the bin

 

[sten_super]

One day I wil rule, until then we must struggle on!

I concede that at times my ranting on the subject detracts from my argument somewhat but it gets very frustrating when you have a firm belief on something and are told by posters that things will change when I have kids. Now, I am willing to believe that there are some opinions I have about raising children that will most likely be put to the test when my time comes. More than likely there will be things I have never even thought of. However, you must trust me when I say smacking my children is not something I will ever change my mind on.

I agree that there is a vast difference between a beating and the things we have been talking about here. I have seen the difference close up. My father was a beater, when he was out of the picture my Mum still occasionally gave us a slap with a wooden spoon or back of the hand on the thighs. I happen to believe that both of those constitute child abuse, or at the very least an abuse of power.

I sincerely believe that most people abhor ethe idea of smacking their children and would not do so. There have been people on here that are parents and have not smacked their children, yet their input does not seem to equate with the experience argument as they are experienced parents and have not smacked their children.

Whilst I can see perfectly well that a parent has the right to raise a child as they see fit (within reason) I just happen to be of the opinion that smacking is not an option. For some reason a great amount of offence has been taken by this view and this seems to be mainly from the people who have smacked their chldren or who condone it.
My opinion is not solely based on my own childhood experience. I have been in contact with a lot of children in my life (and I realise that does not equal being a parent) from being around the three day nurseries my parents owned, to living with foster children my mother cared for.

Asides all that I believe physical punishment is abhorant when exacted upon anyone. The examples of nuclear deterrant and being given hassle by chavs are totally irrelevant in this argument as self defence and punishment are two seperate issues. Also to say that using smacking as a last resort and thi slets the child know that this is what may happen if they mis-behave is, in my opinion, a ghastly threat to hold over your childs head.

I hope this post doesn't draw too much venom.

That is far and away the best post you written on this topic, and I doubt will attract much venom, since you put your points across in a sensible manner with a clear explanation of your views. Previous posts got attacked because you were quite sensationalist about the whole thing.

I don't think that people are saying that you will suddenly become pro-smacking when you have children; it's pretty clear that that will not be the case. However, I know from experience of some children (again I am someone that doesn't have kids of my own) and parents that kids drive you to the very edge of your sanity; when you have been out all day with them, pandering to their every whim, and you are on the way home and they kick up a fuss for some reason or other, and you are exhausted, drained and don't know what to do. In that situation, I can understand how someone may smack their child. I don't think I would do it, many people on here have said that they wouldn't, but they simply can understand how someone may be driven to thinking that it is the only option.

 

[Easy 10]

I just happen to be of the opinion that smacking is not an option. For some reason a great amount of offence has been taken by this view

No offence was taken by that view.
THIS is the view that caused a few ruffled feathers:

Anyone who hits their children is a cruel, weak, heartless, lazy, spineless child abuser. For whatever reason.

 

[Questions]

I think the argument "You don't know what it's like to be a parent etc" has been used and discarded by now.I'm not married but I knowe I will never hit my future wife. I don't own a dog but I know I would never kick it if I did.
I have never been a drink driver but my opinion on drink drivers is valid. I have never murdered anyone but my opinion on murderers is valid. Yet somehow my opinion on hitting children is invalid. That argument is tired, it is irrelevant and it is, to be honest, quite lame.

I promise you, in the future, hitting children will be viewed with the dis-taste it so badly deserves.

The law will not be changed because according to the government reports and research, parents have strongly indicated that they are happy with the right to smack in appropriate circumstances. So Nipples your opinion was not listened to yet again but people who have experience in raising ''our little angels'' did sway things.

 

[Nibble]

The law will not be changed because according to the government reports and research, parents have strongly indicated that they are happy with the right to smack in appropriate circumstances. So Nipples your opinion was not listened to yet again but people who have experience in raising ''our little angels'' did sway things.

Yes, I am well aware of the reasons for the outcome.

 

[Nibble]

No offence was taken by that view.
THIS is the view that caused a few ruffled feathers:

Yes Easy, I did write that. Are you trying to cause a row?

 

[Lokki 7]

I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possess inside. Give them a sense of pride, to make it easier. Let the children's laa-af-ter, remind us how we used to be. I DECIDED LONG AGO...

 

[Questions]

Little children you better not tell on me. I'm tellin you little children you better not tell what you see and if you're good I'll give you candy and a quarter, If you're quiet like you oughta be and keep a secret with me.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

One day I wil rule, until then we must struggle on!

I concede that at times my ranting on the subject detracts from my argument somewhat but it gets very frustrating when you have a firm belief on something and are told by posters that things will change when I have kids. Now, I am willing to believe that there are some opinions I have about raising children that will most likely be put to the test when my time comes. More than likely there will be things I have never even thought of. However, you must trust me when I say smacking my children is not something I will ever change my mind on.

I agree that there is a vast difference between a beating and the things we have been talking about here. I have seen the difference close up. My father was a beater, when he was out of the picture my Mum still occasionally gave us a slap with a wooden spoon or back of the hand on the thighs. I happen to believe that both of those constitute child abuse, or at the very least an abuse of power.

I sincerely believe that most people abhor ethe idea of smacking their children and would not do so. There have been people on here that are parents and have not smacked their children, yet their input does not seem to equate with the experience argument as they are experienced parents and have not smacked their children.

Whilst I can see perfectly well that a parent has the right to raise a child as they see fit (within reason) I just happen to be of the opinion that smacking is not an option. For some reason a great amount of offence has been taken by this view and this seems to be mainly from the people who have smacked their chldren or who condone it.
My opinion is not solely based on my own childhood experience. I have been in contact with a lot of children in my life (and I realise that does not equal being a parent) from being around the three day nurseries my parents owned, to living with foster children my mother cared for.

Asides all that I believe physical punishment is abhorant when exacted upon anyone. The examples of nuclear deterrant and being given hassle by chavs are totally irrelevant in this argument as self defence and punishment are two seperate issues. Also to say that using smacking as a last resort and thi slets the child know that this is what may happen if they mis-behave is, in my opinion, a ghastly threat to hold over your childs head.

I hope this post doesn't draw too much venom.

If only you had posted that 7 days ago, we could have all saved ourselves a lot of heartache !

 

[Nibble]

If only you had posted that 7 days ago, we could have all saved ourselves a lot of heartache !

We had fun though didn't we?

 

[Easy 10]

Yes Easy, I did write that. Are you trying to cause a row?

Not at all old bean. You said you didn;t know why your opinion on this had caused so much offence. I was merely enlightening you.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

We had fun though didn't we?

Yes NOBBLE, yes we did, it was a blast !

 

[Nibble]

Not at all old bean. You said you didn;t know why your opinion on this had caused so much offence. I was merely enlightening you.

I might be wrong but I don't believe I questioned why my opinion caused offence. I know why people would take offence at that comment.

 

[Easy 10]

Ahhh, Nibbles had a busy day already.
Up those wooden hills early for you tonight young man, or Mr and Mrs Smack will be paying a short, sharp visit to Bottyland.

 

[Nibble]

Ahhh, Nibbles had a busy day already.
Up those wooden hills early for you tonight young man, or Mr and Mrs Smack will be paying a short, sharp visit to Bottyland.

Bottyland? You keep the hell away from my bottyland easy!

 

[London Calling]

there is some classic statistics that 9 out of 10 football thugs were beaten by their father.

If any type of violence and aggression is used againgst children, they will see it as the norm, and of course will only be violent againgst another child as a last resort or when frustrated.

In debates such as this I look to a nation such as Sweden, where smacking or any violence aginst children is illegal, and look at a nation where violence againgst other persons is rare.

I look at the UK so see one of the violent nations in Europe, where people and communities, take pride in the hard man, where on this chat board, some posters think us having a "firm" is a good thing and I dispair.

The Government has only dropped this now, because they don't want yet another political " Daily Mail" enraged hot potato, of course parents who want to smack their children don't want a ban. I personnally would love a ban, and I would also like a bit more education on how to handle the little blighters.

 

[Nibble]

there is some classic statistics that 9 out of 10 football thugs were beaten by their father.

If any type of violence and aggression is used againgst children, they will see it as the norm, and of course will only be violent againgst another child as a last resort or when frustrated.

In debates such as this I look to a nation such as Sweden, where smacking or any violence aginst children is illegal, and look at a nation where violence againgst other persons is rare.

I look at the UK so see one of the violent nations in Europe, where people and communities, take pride in the hard man, where on this chat board, some posters think us having a "firm" is a good thing and dispair.

The Government has only dropped this now, because they don't want yet another political " Daily Mail" enraged hot potato, of course parents who want to smack their children don't want a ban. I personnally would love a ban, and I would also like a bit more education on how to handle the little blighters.

Very well said. And very true of course.

 

[Mr C]

Kids have too many rights as it is, without this crap.

I can't remember whether it was Family Guy or the Simpsons.... bunch of kids bored and they said "let's go hit the school janitor, as we know legally he can't hit back".

Says it all really.