Is there a PR system which is properly proportional, maintains the local/constituency connection, and doesn't involve party lists of cronies and toadies?
If there was, I would be inclined to agree with you.
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Is there a PR system which is properly proportional, maintains the local/constituency connection, and doesn't involve party lists of cronies and toadies?
If there was, I would be inclined to agree with you.
spring hall convert
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I don't know how they got away with it in the face of all that staunch Tory opposition.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
But the voting system means those parties won't be represented in Government or opposition. My vote in Mid Sussex is effectively worthless because Fatty Soames will have the same 6000ish majority as last time, and we already know the results for all but about 30 marginals. There's barely any difference between Conservative and Labour anyway, despite what their supporters would have you believe. That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me
spring hall convert
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With UKIP's famed reputation for tolerance, we all thought it wouldn't be a problem.
I know of one.
But the voting system means those parties won't be represented in Government or opposition. My vote in Mid Sussex is effectively worthless because Fatty Soames will have the same 6000ish majority as last time, and we already know the results for all but about 30 marginals. There's barely any difference between Conservative and Labour anyway, despite what their supporters would have you believe. That doesn't seem like much of a choice to me
My bet is that at least one out of UKIP, Greens, SNP or PC will be involved in some way in government. I'm certainly willing to bet that more 30 constituencies will change hands in the election.
I agree with you in principle though: it's not good when the majority of seats are set in stone but we had a referendum on a change of system just four years ago, we're not going to have another so quickly after. I disagree about Labour and Tories though, I think they're further apart than they have been for 20 years - Cameron's been moving to the right to counteract UKIP while Miliband has been moving away from New Labour. There's not a big a gap as there was in the 50s or 60s but there's now discernible daylight
The Libs should have demanded a vote on PR not the watered down rubbish we actually got to vote on.
portslade seagull
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Milliband came across as some sort of dunce, Cameron was more polished
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Really ? What about Cameron floundering over the food banks and zero hours contracts ? Do you think that was polished ?
Care to enlighten us?
portslade seagull
Well-known member
Miilidunce was like a rabbit in the headlights .... I reckon he would be hard pressed to push any of his policies through as Labour seem to be a Knee jerk policy maker
Addiseagull
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You're a bit of a nasty leftie, aren't you?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Fair enough, I guess you didn't see the debate then as you have nothing constructive to offer
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,465
Leaders lead, they don't blame lack of opposition
Raleigh Chopper
New member
No I am not.
While posting yesterday I was going to add, how long will it be before he mentions Ivan whilst talking about the NHS, but decided not to, just as I sent the post, low and behold he said it.
Thats twice last time and once so far this time around.
So you think that being a nasty leftie is worse than a PM continually using his dead son as a reason to promote the fact that there will be no top down changes to the NHS and then does the opposite. Its even worse that he is doing it again this time after lying last time.
By the way, I am and always have been a floating voter. I have voted for all 3 in my lifetime, this time I have never been so confused.
But it will not be Cameron this time, no chance.
If that rubber lipped **** gets in we are ****ed
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Red Ed is a weirdo. I can just imagine him in his youth supporting the Looney Left councils and their policies like banning the word family because its was considered discriminatory, replacing ba ba blacksheep with ba ba white sheep and haringey introducing homosexuality courses into nursery and primary schools. And that smile...
Camicus
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What a complete and utter load of shite. If that is the best reason to not vote for him you would just as well vote for Leanne Wood at least you could have a **** over PMQ
Hampster Gull
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Actually she is quite hot in a weird way
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Please go away Labour. Sorry is simply not good enough for millions of people now, when we see what we have been left with.