Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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How he hasn't been expelled is a mystery.
Whatever was said does not excuse that violent and cowardly behaviour. He could just have walked away and, if necessary, called the old bill. There is never any excuse for violence on the streets like this.What he did was out of order, especially the follow up. However, I am not going to bay for blood until I find out what actually was said. Most, if not all of us, have a breaking point and the more primal part of the brain takes over once that has been reached. Until we know what was said I don't think we are in a position to say what he should have done with regard to de-escalating the situation. With all that said he shouldn't get away with it, but until the full context of the situation becomes clear I am not going to throw stones at him either.
Yes, we all have triggers, and a minority of irrational people will even lose control and resort to physical violence. But people like that should not be in parliament passing legislation and (no doubt) pontificating on the bad behaviour of others.Who knows, we all have our triggers, some will have things that just push a button and the rational side loses control, and some people know exactly what to do and say to achieve this. I am not defending him, nor condoning his actions, but I am saying there could be mitigating circumstances, stuff between the two that we do not know about, and therefore unlike others I am not going to start chanting gaol him until we know the full context.
There are procedures to go through to get rid of an MP. If 10,000 constituents sign a recall petition there can be another election held. I think if the MP is found guilty of a crime punishable by prison (not that they have to actually be sentenced to prison) they can also lose their seat. Usually what happens is that the MP agrees to resign. In the case of this bloke, he’s already been suspended by Labour but unless one of the above criteria apply, he’s free to continue as an independent MP. I suspect he’ll do this as he still has 5 years of a decent salary and generous expenses to collect.How he hasn't been expelled is a mystery.
On top of the Labour MP, Mike Amesbury hitting the headlines this week in his Rocky Gets Drunk video, another distasteful story today of Matin Bell when he was a Tory MP carrying out a sexual assault in the bar of the Commons while drunk.
Ex-Tory MP Aaron Bell carried out 'brazen and drunken' sexual misconduct in parliament bar, watchdog finds
Parliament's standards commissioner found Mr Bell "abused his position of power" as an MP - and that had he remained in the Commons, he could have been suspended for a "significant period".news.sky.com
What’s happened to standards in public life? Has it always been like this?
Okay so who is Matin?Martin Bell and Aaron Bell are two different people.
No one is tarring anyone with the same brush but getting so drunk you end up sexually assaulting a woman in a working environment is not acceptable and is still an assault and still way below the standards you should expect from elected MPs - he would have been thrown out of the party probably if it weren’t for the fact he lost his seat before the investigation was complete.Society has a sprinkling of dodgy people, and they're going to find their way into many professions, unfortunately.
It's important not to tar everyone with the same brush when stories of bad characters come to public attention.
There are literally hundreds of MPs who are decent folk, working hard to serve their constituencies.
Definitely a morning personOkay so who is Matin?
No one said it was acceptable, but your thread title is "Standard of MPs sorely lacking", posing the question "What’s happened to standards in public life?" which does, at the very least, suggest a belief at a more widespread problem.No one is tarring anyone with the same brush but getting so drunk you end up sexually assaulting a woman in a working environment is not acceptable and is still an assault and still way below the standards you should expect from elected MPs - he would have been thrown out of the party probably if it weren’t for the fact he lost his seat before the investigation was complete.
He was a renowned BBC war correspondent to stood against Neil Hamilton in general election. Hamilton was allegedly accepting cash in brown envelopes. Bell won the seat.Okay so who is Matin?
Having seen the video, it’s a clear case of ABH.Who knows, we all have our triggers, some will have things that just push a button and the rational side loses control, and some people know exactly what to do and say to achieve this. I am not defending him, nor condoning his actions, but I am saying there could be mitigating circumstances, stuff between the two that we do not know about, and therefore unlike others I am not going to start chanting gaol him until we know the full context.
They do but they are not all living on the Tax payer‘s money, our elected representatives and supposedly setting standards of behaviour in public life.Bad people will do bad things, regardless of where they work.
Okay so who is Matin?