Greenbag50
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[News] Middle East conflict
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Firstly, Ghazi Hamad is clearly a reprehensible individual. Clearly hold innocent Palestinians in as much contempt as his holds Israelis and happy to see children die as he pontificates from the safety of the UAE or elsewhere.
However, that interview where he calls for repeated attacks is nearly 2 months old. I'm not suggesting he's seen the light and is now advocating peaceful coexistence; but your earlier post was misleading.
Edit: link to story on the interview: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...oct-7-onslaught-many-times-to-destroy-israel/
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I am genuinely intrigued to understand how Israel plans to “eradicate” Hamas, given it is primarily a manifestation of an ideology rather than, say, a nation state which you could conceivably conquer and eradicate.
I would argue the way to do it is not to create at least another generation of local kids who hate your guts, but there we go.
A better way is to support rebuilding Gaza, commit to a two-state solution, work with the international community to rebuild relations with regional partners and encourage economic development in Gaza (and the West Bank) to make a Palestinian state viable and help to remove the desire of the impoverished Palestinians being forced / bombed out of their homes to lash out against the people (Israelis) who are inflicting it on them.
Is this easy? No. Will it appeal to hardline fruitcakes like Netanyahu and his cronies? Not remotely. Is it the only way to make this shit work? I can’t think of a better way.
I would argue the way to do it is not to create at least another generation of local kids who hate your guts, but there we go.
A better way is to support rebuilding Gaza, commit to a two-state solution, work with the international community to rebuild relations with regional partners and encourage economic development in Gaza (and the West Bank) to make a Palestinian state viable and help to remove the desire of the impoverished Palestinians being forced / bombed out of their homes to lash out against the people (Israelis) who are inflicting it on them.
Is this easy? No. Will it appeal to hardline fruitcakes like Netanyahu and his cronies? Not remotely. Is it the only way to make this shit work? I can’t think of a better way.
Billy the Fish
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To be fair the interview was well after Oct 7, on Nov 1, so the point stands even if the dates are slightly out. Assume the OP only saw it on the day of the tweet so not deliberately trying to mislead.
aolstudios
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Well, that is the big question. It's been asked several times and, personally, I don't know what the solution is.
I don't think the attacks (of revenge) on Palestine are the right solution and I think it has gone beyond a stage which made it justifiable - now it simply isn't.
The problem is that Hamas represents an ideology which many Palestinians also follow, through being subject to decades of bombing and other attacks. I think the current attack will only create a new generation of Palestinians who will, too, follow Hamas' ideology.
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Yeah, I guess he saw it yesterday and assumed it was new. Fact is it's from Nov 1st though so saying it was Dec 22nd is misleading. Two days after that Ghazi Hamad's tone had softened markedly and he was offering to release all the hostages in return for the release of Palestinian prisoners.
What's more, the OP stated that Hamas had threatened to repeat attacks until "all Jews are dead". I didn't see that claim in the Nov 1st interview. At that point Ghazi Hamad was claiming (falsely) that no civilians had been targeted and, hence, the attacks were justified acts of rebellion. He did call for the annihilation of the state of Israel so why not just state that rather than adding an embellishment?
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I think it's blindingly obvious that this is the only way to get rid of Hamas as a terrorist organisation. As you point out, it's not easy, but if you want the killing to stop, it's the only way.
Anything else will simply see the two sides continuing to try to 'eradicate' each other and thousands more innocents on both sides dying
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pocketseagull
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This is a fairly sickening euphemism when amongst the IDF actions have included bombing hospitals, sniping civilians seeking refuge in a church and even killing unarmed escaped Israeli hostages who were unclothed from the waist up and waving white flags!
Not to mention the 2 million driven from their homes and 8000 dead children.
The Jordanian government isn't too keen on accepting Palestinian refugees either , anyone know why ?
Is it because Jordan already hosts the 2nd highest proportion of refugees in the world? (Lebanon no.1)
Jordan is home to an estimated 2 million Palestinians. Anyone know why they ended up there?
aolstudios
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Ironic that Jordan was the other state created from British mandate Palestine. Check out Palestinian rights there
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Not sure if that is a rhetorical question but around 300,000 Palestinians fled over the border to Jordan ( Syria and Lebanon too) after the 1967 war when Israel seized and illegally occupied the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza - now some 6 million Palestinians and their descendants live in refugee camps around the ME.
It was very much a rhetorical question.
aolstudios
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One of several wars where Israel was attacked without warning & won, ffs.
Former prime minister Ariel Sharon, among other Israeli politicians, has raised the idea multiple times, claiming that Jordan can serve as an alternative home since many Jordanians are of Palestinian origin. When Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty in 1994, Jordan insisted on including a clause to guard against the possibility of mass transfer. Article 2.6 of the treaty states that “within their control, involuntary movements of persons in such a way as to adversely prejudice the security of either Party should not be permitted.”
Jordan’s fear had been building even before the October 7 Hamas attack, thanks to another major yet often overlooked factor: demography. The number of Palestinians in areas under Israel’s control has now exceeded the number of Israeli Jews: 7.4 million Palestinians, some of them Israeli citizens, to 7.2 million Israelis. On average, every Palestinian woman has a birth rate of 4.1 children to 3 for every Israeli woman. The trend is clear: the Palestinian majority is only going to increase with time.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're getting at.
Jordan is understandably reluctant to take in more refugees seeing as they know the right to return is far from guaranteed. They're still hosting those driven out of Israel in the previous 70 years.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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Reckon the end game for Israel is to displace the inhabitants of Gaza ever southwards into the relatively unpopulated Sinai Peninsula. Let them set up a Palestinian state there, maybe even help them build it. Would clearly require Egypt and US signing up to the deal, but hard to see a better deal for all parties
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I thought so - but some people genuinely might not have known the answer so answered anyway
