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[News] Middle East conflict
- Thread starter Greenbag50
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Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israel’s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ‘killing Palestinians for no real reason’ - now Netanyahu says he will ‘fight against any sanctions’
www.aljazeera.com
It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
US-Israel: Netanyahu vows to reject any US sanctions on army units
Reports say the US is planning to cut military aid to one Israeli unit over alleged rights violations.
www.bbc.co.uk
US expected to sanction Israeli military unit over alleged rights abuses
Israeli prime minister says he will fight any sanctions targeting Israeli military units for alleged rights violations.
It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
We hear a lot about the US government's 'frustration' with Netanyahu but it doesn't prevent them sending weapons and ever increasing amounts of $$$ (a huge $26 million announced on Friday). It's just fiddling around the edges and not addressing the crucial problem... the US's continued funding of the onslaught.Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israel’s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ‘killing Palestinians for no real reason’ - now Netanyahu says he will ‘fight against any sanctions’
US-Israel: Netanyahu vows to reject any US sanctions on army units
Reports say the US is planning to cut military aid to one Israeli unit over alleged rights violations.www.bbc.co.ukUS expected to sanction Israeli military unit over alleged rights abuses
Israeli prime minister says he will fight any sanctions targeting Israeli military units for alleged rights violations.
It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
Turn off the tap!
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Yep - many people feel the same way tbh and in an ideal world maybe, if Israel was not also surrounded by Iran’s proxies that are ongoing threat to her security (and will be until the Palestinians have an independent State imo). Until then token gestures of sanctions are probably all we are going to get.
The US/UK still recognises Israel’s right to protect herself and supplying weapons has always been a part of that. There is a conflict of interest in the West in making Israel militarily weak. Israel’s allies are not going to leave Israel vulnerable to an existential attack from Iran and the axis of resistance.
Disarming Israel to the extent Netanyahu can’t continue with the war in Gaza isn’t a solution therefore. - Hamas still needs to be defeated (if not now, eventually) and Hezbollah are not going to stop lobbying missiles over the border unless there is a commitment by Israel to end the occupation of the Palestinian Territories.
A negotiated ceasefire, with the release of hostages, release of Palestinians being held in detention without trial and withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza is the only way forward I think - along with an immediate moratorium on settler expansion in the West Bank.
Why do arms continue to flow from US to Israel despite ceasefire resolution?
Biden administration decision not to veto UN resolution does not signal major shift in foreign policy
www.theguardian.com
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From 2014
Why St George is a Palestinian hero
As England celebrates the day of its patron saint, many Palestinians are gearing up for their own celebrations of this shared hero.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
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Absolutely chillingThe antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.
It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.
Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
And of course there are no Jewish students openly supporting Netanyahu and his questionable execution of the war on Hamas and innocent Palestinians.The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
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Sky News verifies mass graves around hospital site and the IDF admits to digging up Palestinian bodies: "The examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased," the IDF said. "Bodies examined, which did not belong to Israeli hostages, were returned to their place."
But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.
news.sky.com
So for ‘balance’ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -
pen.org
Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: “MIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus — leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,” the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.“
The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and it’s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
thehill.com
But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.
Israel bulldozed mass graves at Gaza hospital, Sky News analysis shows
Analysis of satellite imagery and social media shows how Palestinians buried their dead in mass graves during Israel's siege of Nasser hospital, and how the IDF bulldozed these graves after it took over.
That ’report’ quoted is by a Jewish organisation that has spoken out against antisemitism for decades but more recently has been criticised as having a pro-Zionist agenda (one Trump has shared with Netanyahu) including by members of its own staff - it is unlikely to be unbiased reporting (ie reporting that also acknowledges an exponential rise in Islamophobia in campuses across America too.
So for ‘balance’ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -
Rising Anti-Muslim and Anti-Arab Hate on Campus - PEN America
A wave of anti-Muslim rhetoric, harassment, threats, vandalism and violence has rocked campuses across the U.S. as the Israel-Hamas war escalates.
pen.org
Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: “MIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus — leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,” the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.“
The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and it’s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
Fears rise on campuses after attack on Palestinian college students
Fear among Muslim and pro-Palestinian college students is rising after the weekend’s attack on three Palestinian 20-year-olds in Vermont. Universities have been a breeding ground of controver…
thehill.com
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'Jewish' voice for Peace is Antisemitic. Every time it speaks. That's what it's for.
Much like its sister, 'Jewish voice for Labour' was in the words of Jon Lansman of all people, "created specifically & only to deflect from claims of antisemitism by the Corbyn administration"
Have you read 1984?
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Don't forget your buddy Trump just a few weeks ago claimed Jewish people who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and “hate their religion". The bloke has plenty of form in this areaThe antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
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Yep
I posted Monday lunchtime - and the BBC/Sky et al finally caught up by Tuesday evening. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're purposefully biased, more scared of even attempting to be 'even-handed' in their presentation of events from Israel/Gaza and the occupied territories.
ADL is a sham of an organisation that serves to prop up the interests of Israel and delegitimize Palestinian rights through a combination of political financing and wielding anti-semetic smears.The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
Detailed history here
The Anti-Defamation League Is Not What It Seems - Boston Review
Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers.
www.bostonreview.net
Kudos to those protesting on American campuses. Reminiscent of the Vietnam protests.
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Please stop this arguing over antisemitism - it’s really distateful.
Antisemitism and Islamophobic attacks have risen, not only on every university campus in the US but worldwide since 7/10 as verified by independent policing stats - it doesn’t matter who reports incidences of antisemitism or Islamophobia other than both get labelled accurately and both get reported as such. It also matters that both Jews and Muslims are given equal treatment under the laws of discrimination and freedom of speech (which at the moment appears questionable)
Yes, the Adl is biased, it is known for its anti-zionist views as I said above, as are some of the sources reporting Islamophobic attacks biased and are pro-Islam, some sources have left wing or have a right wing agenda in their reporting - however, many incidences of discrimination don’t get reported to neutral organisations in the first place but to groups that can support the victims and to a culturally sensitive group the victims are comfortable with, so it is not surprising the sources of reports are often special interest.
The bias or non-bias nature of the sources, does not make any discrimination or racial attacks on anyone ok so please stop highlighting incidences of antisemitism or any other form of racial hatred on this thread just to score points - know there are a growing number of Arab/Muslims and Jews who are victims of some shocking incidences of racial hatred in Westernised societies and it’s largely down to ignorance of the issues and the people involved that it is so rife at all.
Antisemitism and Islamophobic attacks have risen, not only on every university campus in the US but worldwide since 7/10 as verified by independent policing stats - it doesn’t matter who reports incidences of antisemitism or Islamophobia other than both get labelled accurately and both get reported as such. It also matters that both Jews and Muslims are given equal treatment under the laws of discrimination and freedom of speech (which at the moment appears questionable)
Yes, the Adl is biased, it is known for its anti-zionist views as I said above, as are some of the sources reporting Islamophobic attacks biased and are pro-Islam, some sources have left wing or have a right wing agenda in their reporting - however, many incidences of discrimination don’t get reported to neutral organisations in the first place but to groups that can support the victims and to a culturally sensitive group the victims are comfortable with, so it is not surprising the sources of reports are often special interest.
The bias or non-bias nature of the sources, does not make any discrimination or racial attacks on anyone ok so please stop highlighting incidences of antisemitism or any other form of racial hatred on this thread just to score points - know there are a growing number of Arab/Muslims and Jews who are victims of some shocking incidences of racial hatred in Westernised societies and it’s largely down to ignorance of the issues and the people involved that it is so rife at all.