[Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

[London Irish]

Rumours Big Sam being lined up as caretaker if Starmer resigns this weekend

 

[Hastings gull]

Multi millionaire Thornberry living in an upmarket part of London, mocked a normal household in Medway.

That one moment, said it all.

A disconnect of epic proportions from any elected official, not least from a purportedly socialist.

Yes, I recall it - no wonder the good folk of Hartlepool have had enough, and as you say in a an earlier post, thankfully your average punter sees through the hypocrisy of those who consider themselves to be morally superior to others.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Labour in turmoil as frontbencher RESIGNS: Party captured by 'London-based bourgeoisie'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/ne...ailing-20551438.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Voters are rejecting Labour because it's been taken over by trendy Londoners and "woke social media warriors", according to a city Labour MP.

Explaining what he believes has gone wrong, he said: "Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class."

Mr Mahmood said that voters were patriotic, with an "historic pride in their places". He warned: "Is there a danger that our party, in its opposition and confusion over Brexit, has veered towards an anti-British attitude? I certainly worry that some of our previous supporters will see it that way."

Khalid Mahmoud (former Shadow Defence Secretary). You only have to read the political threads on NSC to know he is right.

 

[London Irish]

Labour in turmoil as frontbencher RESIGNS: Party captured by 'London-based bourgeoisie'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/ne...ailing-20551438.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Voters are rejecting Labour because it's been taken over by trendy Londoners and "woke social media warriors", according to a city Labour MP.

Explaining what he believes has gone wrong, he said: "Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

Khalid Mahmoud (former Shadow Defence Secretary). You only have to read the political threads on NSC to know he is right.

He'll be a member of the Tory party in 5 years or less with dull rightwing bullshit like that, similar to Ann Meadows who used Labour party members to get elected to Brighton council and then turncoated to cross the floor

 

[Wardy's twin]

General Secretary of Unite the Union Len McCluskey, has said he hopes Sir Keir Starmer “learns the correct lessons” from Labour’s defeat in the Hartlepool by-election.

“He was elected a year ago on a radical programme, some said a Corbyn-esque programme; he said he wanted to make the moral case for socialism; he wanted a united party - unfortunately he’s failed in all of those areas.

"Hartlepool is the manifestation of it - people don’t know what his vision is. People don’t know what Labour stand for anymore.”

Speaking on Political Thinking on BBC Radio Four, Mr McCluskey told Nick Robinson he no longer spoke to the Labour leader.

“Unfortunately when either side actually don’t deliver the deal and say there wasn’t a deal, trust breaks down, and that’s what happened with me and Keir.

But he added: “Obviously if he rang me I would speak to him. I don’t want to be nasty to anybody."

"But the truth of the matter at the moment is unless he presses that reset button, unless he goes back to making the moral case for socialism, unless he starts talking about the radical alternative for ordinary working people then I’m afraid we’ll find ourselves in this continuous downward decline.”

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Harsh words from one of The Labour Party's biggest donors....

But also one of the main reasons why labour are in the sh*t . He is a dinosaur.

 

[Weststander]

He'll be a member of the Tory party in 5 years or less with dull rightwing bullshit like that, similar to Ann Meadows who used Labour party members to get elected to Brighton council and then turncoated to cross the floor

Meadows sought pastures new.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

He'll be a member of the Tory party in 5 years or less with dull rightwing bullshit like that, similar to Ann Meadows who used Labour party members to get elected to Brighton council and then turncoated to cross the floor

Nope, he is trying to save your party. Unfortunately it’s probably too late

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There's a lot of surprise that a solid Labour seat like Hartlepool swung to the Tories. The same thing happened in the 2016 election in the States when a lot of the Rust Belt States which Hilary Clinton had expected to win voted for Trump.

If you take people for granted for long enough eventually they wave two fingers at you. That's part of what happened in Hartlepool. If the right Labour Party comes along they may switch back, but Labour must realise it cannot automatically assume that 'Red Wall' constituencies will carry on voting them in regardless. They have to earn it and start treating them with a bit more respect than they have done.

That's right and Labour chose an awful candidate in Paul Williams.

 

[GT49er]

Labour in turmoil as frontbencher RESIGNS: Party captured by 'London-based bourgeoisie'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/ne...ailing-20551438.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Voters are rejecting Labour because it's been taken over by trendy Londoners and "woke social media warriors", according to a city Labour MP.

Explaining what he believes has gone wrong, he said: "Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class."

Mr Mahmood said that voters were patriotic, with an "historic pride in their places". He warned: "Is there a danger that our party, in its opposition and confusion over Brexit, has veered towards an anti-British attitude? I certainly worry that some of our previous supporters will see it that way."

Khalid Mahmoud (former Shadow Defence Secretary). You only have to read the political threads on NSC to know he is right.

Brilliant post and brilliant link - and bloody well said Mr. Mahmoud. It comes to something when it takes somebody from an immigrant background (and I use the word 'immigrant' without any derogatory overtones) has to tell it straight to the Labour party about history and the peoples' patriotism (again, I use the word 'patriotism' as in 'love of my country', not in the way woke Islington Labour would mean it, as a term of abuse).
Mr Mahmoud sounds like someone I could vote for, and agree with on a lot of things to move our country forward - even if it's possible that we might (might - not assuming or stereotyping anything) have differing views on religion. Go. Mr. Mahmoud - get tore into those w*nkers running the Labour Party. There's thousands of us looking for a way to come back to Labour!

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

He'll be a member of the Tory party in 5 years or less with dull rightwing bullshit like that, similar to Ann Meadows who used Labour party members to get elected to Brighton council and then turncoated to cross the floor

Lose Lose Lose Lose Blair Blair Blair Lose Lose Lose Lose

But it's the voters who are the problem .................

 

[KZNSeagull]

Boris being interviewed with the HMS Trincomalee in the background which I visited a while ago. I was wandering around thinking that it was vaguely familiar until I realised that it used to be the TS Foudroyant in Portsmouth Harbour, which I stayed on with a school trip in the 70's.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Brilliant post and brilliant link - and bloody well said Mr. Mahmoud. It comes to something when it takes somebody from an immigrant background (and I use the word 'immigrant' without any derogatory overtones) has to tell it straight to the Labour party about history and the peoples' patriotism (again, I use the word 'patriotism' as in 'love of my country', not in the way woke Islington Labour would mean it, as a term of abuse).
Mr Mahmoud sounds like someone I could vote for, and agree with on a lot of things to move our country forward - even if it's possible that we might (might - not assuming or stereotyping anything) have differing views on religion. Go. Mr. Mahmoud - get tore into those w*nkers running the Labour Party. There's thousands of us looking for a way to come back to Labour!

You use the word patriotism as in love of my country not as a term of abuse, yet throw the word woke around without understanding its meaniing.

Woke - alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
"we need to stay angry, and stay woke"

 

[GT49er]

You use the word patriotism as in love of my country not as a term of abuse, yet throw the word woke around without understanding its meaning.

Woke - alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
"we need to stay angry, and stay woke"

OK, you stay angry. I'll just stick with opposing racism and not judging people on the colour of their skin.

The colour of one's skin is not a lifestyle choice; being 'woke' is a lifestyle choice - and therefore by definition it is legitimate for it to be questioned and debated, not least for its unrelenting intolerance of anyone remotely critical of it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

OK, you stay angry. I'll just stick with opposing racism and not judging people on the colour of their skin.

The colour of one's skin is not a lifestyle choice; being 'woke' is a lifestyle choice - and therefore by definition it is legitimate for it to be questioned and debated, not least for its unrelenting intolerance of anyone remotely critical of it.

Being alert to injustice isn't being intolerant.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Whataboutery. An obsession with Tories and the Daily Mail.

The Independent, Guardian, Mirror, C4 News, Sky News and Kuennssssberg have been obsessively pursuing the Tories since Brexit became a real possibility.

A narrative that the majority ignore, as they do DM or Murdoch.

People in this nation see through propaganda from both sides of the media.

Really? You really think she’s been “pursuing” The Tories and Johnson?

To give them a pat on the head and tell Johnson he’s a good boy maybe, but certainly not to hold him, or their detestable party to account for their utter appalling leadership and corruption.

 

[Weststander]

Really? You really think she’s been “pursuing” The Tories and Johnson?

To give them a pat on the head and tell Johnson he’s a good boy maybe, but certainly not to hold him, or their detestable party to account for their utter appalling leadership and corruption.

At COVID press conferences, her questions related to the Downing Street refurbishment. The same story over the last 14 months, Kuenssssberg, plus Beth Rigby and Sam Coates of Sky targeting their questions relentlessly to non COVID matters. Attempting to set a narrative, rather than reporting and leaving their corruption investigative journalism to other moments. Rinse and repeat at each COVID press conference.

Well, that narrative, failed to influence the great British public. Tory success at the ballot box and Kuensssssberg reporting tonight on the crisis within the Labour Party.

Will Labour ever be electable? On the one hand today Abbott and McCluskey wanting a shift to the left, whilst Mandelson, Milburn and Adonis want something totally different.

 

[GT49er]

Being alert to injustice isn't being intolerant.

Accusing anybody who even slightly disagrees with some of your views as being intolerant is actually being intolerant yourself (and you are clearly intolerant of anybody who you deem not as woke as you). Face facts - not everyone is completely on board with your particular views; they are not all intrinsically wrong - to take that view would be prejudice.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Will Labour ever be electable? On the one hand today Abbott and McCluskey wanting a shift to the left.

WOW these people are so up their own arse yet so so stupid, blinkered and stupid again. Incredible blindness to reality

 

[keaton]

Accusing anybody who even slightly disagrees with some of your views as being intolerant is actually being intolerant yourself (and you are clearly intolerant of anybody who you deem not as woke as you). Face facts - not everyone is completely on board with your particular views; they are not all intrinsically wrong - to take that view would be prejudice.

Right back at ya

 

[Weststander]

WOW these people are so up their own arse yet so so stupid, blinkered and stupid again. Incredible blindness to reality

The never-ending myopic struggle for control of the Labour Party, the obsession, it only benefits all the other parties especially the Tories and SNP.

It’s a miracle when looking back that Blair, Campbell, Mandelson et al, managed to contain it for such a sustained period.