[Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

[Chicken Run]

As far as i am concerned it seems to me that so many people have no idea about current affairs, I speak to people about what is going on in the news regarding Covid and the rules, backhanders, PPE and many other things regarding Johnson and the tories and they sat I did not know that.
People must be getting all their info from Facebook and Twitter or a rag like the Daily Mail.
Thickos in Hartlepool have still voted on Brexit, that is how stupid they are, but they have voted for a public schoolboy who is responsible for killing thousands with his dithering, the vaccine roll out has sod all to do with Johnson, it is down to the NHS alone, a real kick up they arse for one that areas biggest employer.
They have basically forgiven Johnson for all the deadly mistakes,including killing nurses, and corrupt activities that he has, is and will continue to do.
Gave up on the majority of the public some time ago, we are awash with ignorant morons.

Thank heavens for people like you….




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[wellquickwoody]

Brighton's finest starting trouble for Starmer?

From the BBC......

Labour Left aiming to shake up the party

Adam Fleming

Chief political correspondent

I’ve been speaking to the left-wing Labour MP Lloyd Russell Moyle, who won the race on Twitter to be the first to criticise his leader this morning.

He said Sir Keir Starmer went down well in some parts of the country, but in others he reminded people of Ed Miliband – “uncharismatic and inauthentic.”

He doesn’t think MPs in the Socialist Campaign Group will make a concerted move today - but they are meeting up with fellow left-wingers next week to start work on proposals for radical reform of the party.

This would be either moving towards a federal structure in England - with leaders in cities and regions and a co-ordinator at Westminster - or turning it into a party of parties, such as by allying with the Greens.

Twats like Moyle need to stop running around throwing childish insults at anyone not on the Labour left. It was done by Corbyn and Co and the damage is still being reaped by Starmer. The non Tory folks need to realise that insults do not win votes. No government is perfect, and the current UK one is a very long way from it. But there is no gain in just slagging them off whilst they have done an OK ish job in unchatered waters post Brexit and COVID. Terms like gammon and fascist have become the turn to comments of those not in power, they achieve nothing.

Labour needs to show real alternative policies that actually are costed, and not just oppose any and everything that the Tories do. They also need to realise that voters do not want to listen to crackpot, idealistic rhetoric when the world is never going to be an entirely fair place, there will always be winners and losers be they the rich or poor, the left or right, the Americans or the Germans. As a socialist you can only aim to make things as good as sensibly possible, not perfect for every wastrel that thinks being different gives them rights.

The UK needs an effective left, sadly it has an ineffective bunch of extreme freeloaders trying to lead, be they in pressure groups, charities, local bureaucracies or local Labour clubs.

 

[Chicken Run]

I couldn't agree more . . . . They're everywhere, here at work, more than half I'd say. seemingly intelligent within their field, but Christ, don't let them at any important controls. and the bollocks they come out with is just mind boggling.

Are they thick, these colleagues of yours?


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[Weststander]

I'm not yearning for this at all but the Tories have created the environment for it.

They embarked on a divisive style of governance without really considering the consequences of their action. Anyway, that's for another conservation...

I think the rise of Scottish nationalism is inevitable. Born out by voting for the SNP over the last 25 years. In the same way as the Catalan independence movement and others across Europe have seen an ascendency. Salmond/Sturgeon have played the divisive card, quite literally, playing Scots against the rest of the UK, at the same time creating a “sod ‘em, if they keep whinging, let them go” thinking amongst many English people. All very obvious, but it works. Called out by Alastair Darling ages ago. When Blair created the Scottish Parliament in 1997, he never would’ve imagined that Labour would play a bit part role within it, the genie had been released.

 

[Chicken Run]

Twats like Moyle need to stop running around throwing childish insults at anyone not on the Labour left. It was done by Corbyn and Co and the damage is still being reaped by Starmer. The non Tory folks need to realise that insults do not win votes. No government is perfect, and the current UK one is a very long way from it. But there is no gain in just slagging them off whilst they have done an OK ish job in unchatered waters post Brexit and COVID. Terms like gammon and fascist have become the turn to comments of those not in power, they achieve nothing.

Labour needs to show real alternative policies that actually are costed, and not just oppose any and everything that the Tories do. They also need to realise that voters do not want to listen to crackpot, idealistic rhetoric when the world is never going to be an entirely fair place, there will always be winners and losers be they the rich or poor, the left or right, the Americans or the Germans. As a socialist you can only aim to make things as good as sensibly possible, not perfect for every wastrel that thinks being different gives them rights.

The UK needs an effective left, sadly it has an ineffective bunch of extreme freeloaders trying to lead, be they in pressure groups, charities, local bureaucracies or local Labour clubs.

They should of parachuted Eddie in to save the day!

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[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Thickos in Hartlepool
we are awash with ignorant morons.

You just can't stop can you.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

the vaccine roll out has sod all to do with Johnson, it is down to the NHS alone,

I think the Scientists might have had something to do with it too, don't you?

 

[jcdenton08]

You just can't stop can you.

The atypical Labour voter I mentioned above.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

My suggestion to Labour is to sign up Dominic Cummings. He is the striker that can make them comfortably mid table rather than perpetual relegation fodder. He is highly motivated to beat Boris and could focus minds towards the electorate and away from navel gazing and EU flag waving.

 

[Weststander]

"Dianne, has labour got the right leader?"

"We've got the leader that the party voted for."

I heard that, symptomatic of the enemy within the Labour Party, the same as Len McCluskey. Their short sightedness always more interested in usurping so called Blairites, anyone right of them.

Asked about her own strategy, her only uttering was that “Jeremy should be brought back into the fold”.

‘Brains Trust’.

 

[dsr-burnley]

As far as i am concerned it seems to me that so many people have no idea about current affairs, I speak to people about what is going on in the news regarding Covid and the rules, backhanders, PPE and many other things regarding Johnson and the tories and they sat I did not know that.
People must be getting all their info from Facebook and Twitter or a rag like the Daily Mail.
Thickos in Hartlepool have still voted on Brexit, that is how stupid they are, but they have voted for a public schoolboy who is responsible for killing thousands with his dithering, the vaccine roll out has sod all to do with Johnson, it is down to the NHS alone, a real kick up they arse for one that areas biggest employer.
They have basically forgiven Johnson for all the deadly mistakes,including killing nurses, and corrupt activities that he has, is and will continue to do.
Gave up on the majority of the public some time ago, we are awash with ignorant morons.

And there is a lot of the problem. That attitude is far from uncommon among the self-proclaimed moral majority - "I am right and you are stupid" - and it's not a vote-winner.

Labour's big problem is that they have lost their core vote. Twenty and thirty years ago there were people in Burnley would have poked their eyes out rather than vote Conservative. (Hence the BNP votes that some of your members still bang on about. The Labour party had successive mayors who committed gross indecency in a park at half term, who put the nicest council houses aside for their own special friends, and who put their parents on the electoral roll without them ever having lived in this country) and there were no Liberal council candidates. BNP was mostly a protest vote.)

And yet now Burnley has a Tory MP, for the first time in this century or the last. The "working classes" as a whole are basically conservative with a small c. They want to be richer - who doesn't? - but they don't want massive upheavals in society. The absolute article of faith that existed for so long, that the Tories are against them and Labour are for them, has gone. I'm not saying there is necessarily any strong feeling that the Tories are for them, but there is certainly a strong feeling that Labour is not for them.

 

[GT49er]

It really should not, given the vast majority would vote remain now, especially if honest fact was part of the debate.

Whatever you think 'should' happen, it clearly isn't and won't. If wishes were horses and all that ....................

 

[Bodian]

The atypical Labour voter I mentioned above.

Your 'a' there completely reverses what I think you were trying to say!

 

[jcdenton08]

Your 'a' there completely reverses what I think you were trying to say!

That'll be the danger of typing too fast on a phone ��

 

[Harmyar]

And there is a lot of the problem. That attitude is far from uncommon among the self-proclaimed moral majority - "I am right and you are stupid" - and it's not a vote-winner.

Labour's big problem is that they have lost their core vote. Twenty and thirty years ago there were people in Burnley would have poked their eyes out rather than vote Conservative. (Hence the BNP votes that some of your members still bang on about. The Labour party had successive mayors who committed gross indecency in a park at half term, who put the nicest council houses aside for their own special friends, and who put their parents on the electoral roll without them ever having lived in this country) and there were no Liberal council candidates. BNP was mostly a protest vote.)

And yet now Burnley has a Tory MP, for the first time in this century or the last. The "working classes" as a whole are basically conservative with a small c. They want to be richer - who doesn't? - but they don't want massive upheavals in society. The absolute article of faith that existed for so long, that the Tories are against them and Labour are for them, has gone. I'm not saying there is necessarily any strong feeling that the Tories are for them, but there is certainly a strong feeling that Labour is not for them.

So,so true, thats what the so called metropolitan elite struggle with

 

[Wardy's twin]

I heard that, symptomatic of the enemy within the Labour Party, the same as Len McCluskey. Their short sightedness always more interested in usurping so called Blairites, anyone right of them.

Asked about her own strategy, her only uttering was that “Jeremy should be brought back into the fold”.

‘Brains Trust’.

Len McCluskey has an a lot to answer for, his destruction of David Miliband robbed Labour of a potentially sharp leader, they got his brother and then clown prince. Ok so that's champagne socialism , yes but its a damn site better than champagne Tories being in charge. We need a fairer society, we don't need more billionaires or billionaires getting richer but equally people need to be able to see that working hard will allow them to progress and get the things they want but still support and help those that can't help themselves.

 

[GT49er]

And there is a lot of the problem. That attitude is far from uncommon among the self-proclaimed moral majority - "I am right and you are stupid" - and it's not a vote-winner.

100% this - very well put.

 

[Harmyar]

It really should not, given the vast majority would vote remain now, especially if honest fact was part of the debate.

Really ? The vast majority would vote remain now ? I voted remain and I'd vote leave if there were another vote

 

[Deleted member 37369]

Len McCluskey has an a lot to answer for, his destruction of David Miliband robbed Labour of a potentially sharp leader, they got his brother and then clown prince. Ok so that's champagne socialism , yes but its a damn site better than champagne Tories being in charge. We need a fairer society, we don't need more billionaires or billionaires getting richer but equally people need to be able to see that working hard will allow them to progress and get the things they want but still support and help those that can't help themselves.

Left Labour MPs constantly trot out the line about billionaires ... yet the UK has less billionaires per million people than Austria, Finland, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Cyprus and many others (data from Forbes). They are fixated with people being successful. And like wallpaper and ventilators - it's not something that motivates people to vote Labour!!

 

[Deleted member 37369]

Really ? The vast majority would vote remain now ? I voted remain and I'd vote leave if there were another vote

Me too ... same with my wife