[Albion] Mats Wieffer SINGS on 5 year contract

[BevBHA]

He's a bit of a different level to the likes of Locadia and Alireza.

Discuss? Arguably Alireza had a better first impression

 

[Skaville]

I really want him to do well but that was poor tonight. The third goal was shockingly bad from him.

 

[jcdenton08]

In fact, let's not mention Veltman's clearance which caused the problem or Lamptey's lack of a tackle or indeed Veltman's closing down for the final shot - much better to tear into the current scapegoat.

In fact I was someone who defended in strong terms Wieffer’s mistake on Saturday using that exact term, scapegoat, that you’ve just used.

It doesn’t change the fact that he was desperately poor tonight and heavily contributed to what turned out to be their winning goal, just as he sadly did with Wolves’ equalising goal on Saturday.

I’m not suggesting he’ll never come good (read my above posts instead of quoting your own) but right now he’s nowhere near the level needed to play for our first team. And that’s a fact, Jack.

 

[Bodian]

In fact, let's not mention Veltman's clearance which caused the problem or Lamptey's lack of a tackle or indeed Veltman's closing down for the final shot - much better to tear into the current scapegoat.

Yes - you're right. Collectively it was piss poor.

But the thing is, us fans can't forgive a lack of effort - that's what the issue was here.

 

[dazzer6666]

Poor clearance under pressure, it was panicked and bad defending all round. Wieffer stands out for losing a physical 50/50 in his own box, to a player several inches shorter than him, then walking and watching as he scores. It’s REALLY bad, regardless of everyone else’s mistakes.

Once he’d lost it he was the wrong side and could reasonably have expected one of the other two in front of Diaz to put a tackle and/or block in………

 

[Deadly Danson]

In fact I was someone who defended in strong terms Wieffer’s mistake on Saturday using that exact term, scapegoat, that you’ve just used.

It doesn’t change the fact that he was desperately poor tonight and heavily contributed to what turned out to be their winning goal, just as he sadly did with Wolves’ equalising goal on Saturday.

I’m not suggesting he’ll never come good (read my above posts instead of quoting your own) but right now he’s nowhere near the level needed to play for our first team. And that’s a fact, Jack.

Don't think it's a fact at all. Thought he looked good today - not great perhaps but fine. We could and perhaps should be blaming an actual defender in Lampety who was consistently shocking in defence but I notice there isn't a thread about him.

 

[jcdenton08]

Don't think it's a fact at all. Thought he looked good today - not great perhaps but fine. We could and perhaps should be blaming an actual defender in Lampety who was consistently shocking in defence but I notice there isn't a thread about him.

So you’re scapegoating Lamptey?

 

[Arthritic Toe]

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I’m sorry but that is just absolutely dogshit. He loses the first battle, then slowly half-jogs and watches his man score. That’s park football stuff.

The first 'battle' isnt even a battle. He just lets Diaz walk round him

 

[Deadly Danson]

Yes - you're right. Collectively it was piss poor.

But the thing is, us fans can't forgive a lack of effort - that's what the issue was here.

Don't think there's a lack of effort at all. It's a collectively awful goal but once he's turned there's not a lot he can do. Watching him race back to defend just before he's clearly puffing a bit which isnt a surprise given his lack of game time but I'm having nothing to do with this pile on.

 

[Beanstalk]

Everytime we lose, we got to make someone the scapegoat, don’t we? Looks like it is Wieffer today.

He performed really poorly at the weekend, and with an opportunity to bounce back tonight he looked like a deer in the headlights. I hope there is a great player in there and that he finds a higher level of performance but he’s looked off it so far.

The problem is that we paid £25m for him and currently he’s looking like he’s probably 4th choice of the fit midfielders (Baleba, Hinshelwood, Ayari) and may struggle to get in when Milner and O’Riley return. I don’t think that’s scapegoating, I think that’s a very valid worry.

 

[Deadly Danson]

So you’re scapegoating Lamptey?

I'm not scapegoating anyone, I'm just pointing out that certain players seem to escape the attention.

 

[Zeus]

Hard to do when you’re at the game. I need to see the 3rd goal back, but otherwise he did what he’s supposed to do. Making interceptions, winning tackles. Few poor passes when under pressure but don’t think Moder helped him much in that regard.

I thought he’d had a good game until that third goal, which quite frankly was a pathetic effort. He looked completely spent, so maybe it’s actually on Hurzeler for not subbing him.

 

[jcdenton08]

Once he’d lost it he was the wrong side and could reasonably have expected one of the other two in front of Diaz to put a tackle and/or block in………

Dunno, I mean, the body language is dreadful. That was someone who lost their individual battle and gave up in that moment. Fans hate to see that from their best players, let alone players who should be really trying to prove and establish themselves.

Compare and contrast Rutter who battles and scraps for every little thing, endearing him to fans practically immediately. And he’s an attacking player…

 

[macbeth]

third goal a really really poor end to the evening. other than that, yes it’s a big ‘other’, thought he was much better. won a lot of first balls defending corners, made some good interceptions. it’s crazy to write him off at this point, and even crazier to scapegoat him, particularly when there were others who were playing tonight who’ve been here for years and haven’t been good enough for much of that time

 

[Sirnormangall]

He’s not exactly had the greatest start with us but I think he deserves a bit more time to adapt to the greater pace and intensity of the EPL. McCallister, Baleba and others all took time to adapt.

 

[kevo]

He’s not exactly had the greatest start with us but I think he deserves a bit more time to adapt to the greater pace and intensity of the EPL. McCallister, Baleba and others all took time to adapt.

While this is true, would we risk giving him another chance until the FA Cup? At the moment his mistakes are proving extremely costly.

 

[ROSM]

I thought he played well tonight up til the 3rd goal.

 

[POSKETT AT THE VALLEY]

I was hoping that the lad would have a tidy game tonight and for the most part he did. But the third goal he let me down. That aside Lamptey defensively cost us tonight.

 

[Sirnormangall]

While this is true, would we risk giving him another chance until the FA Cup? At the moment his mistakes are proving extremely costly.

You’re possibly right - he may have to sit on the bench for a while yet, as Baleba did last season.

 

[Oh_aye]

Hes an odd one at the moment. I thought for large parts he was very good. And he thundered into some tackles. I can really see a player there.

Then in some instances he seems to gove away easy passes and spends too much time on the ball. And had a very weird space cadet moment with Lamptey (who was horrible guys, come on, dont get fooled be a couple of dribbles) for their 3rd.

I'm very happy to believe he could turn unto a really good player. It's just taking him a long time to get his head round the pace and intensity.