Lord Bracknell
On fire
... although there is no denying that the number of regular cyclists in Brighton and Hove has increased MASSIVELY in recent years.
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Many on here are keen cyclists but could you live in a city like this?
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Brighton isn't that hilly, is it? The vast majority of the city centre is flat. There are loads of alternatives to climbing steep hills, if one is worried about that.
Congestion wise, the worst parts of Brighton are flat.
Congestion wise, the worst parts of Brighton are flat.
yxee
Well-known member
But if you swap a car for a bike you don't want just parts of the route to be flat, you want the whole route to be flat; lots of the population live at a different elevation above sea level and I don't think many of them will want to swap a car for a bike.
For arguments sake, if you were to section off a part of Brighton for a Sunny Sunday Traffic Free day, where?
My Brighton geography isn't strong enough to do this off the top of my head without glaring omissions but here goes.
The station down to the seafront, East along to the pier then up along side the A23.
Basically all those little roads that intersect The Laines.
My Brighton geography isn't strong enough to do this off the top of my head without glaring omissions but here goes.
The station down to the seafront, East along to the pier then up along side the A23.
Basically all those little roads that intersect The Laines.
The Greens have actually announced plans for a specific tax on cyclists/cycling?
LargeHadronZugzwang
Active member
It can be done and it will be done, eventually. There is no choice, better to be progressive, much like the club.
Wonderful, enjoyed watching it, reminded me of Horsham and how pleasing is the town centre because there is hardly any traffic due to pedestrianised lanes.
Wonderful, enjoyed watching it, reminded me of Horsham and how pleasing is the town centre because there is hardly any traffic due to pedestrianised lanes.
As cyclists pay tax (income tax) and the Greens want to increase this, cyclists would pay more tax than currently. Or, as Lord B puts it "folk who ride bikes", which is nearly everyone.
brightn'ove
cringe
Flat?! The city centre is far from flat.
Up in York there are a lot of cycle lanes and because the whole city is dead flat, a lot of people use them. There is even a bicycle orbital route that accesses every part of the city. I wouldn't go down them at night though... The only problem with York is that when you do have to ride on the road the surface is so crap punctures become a common occurrence.
So cyclists would continue to pay no vehicle/road investment related taxes/duties whilst enjoying car free roads paid for, in part at least, by other road users who would pay these charges?
Hmmmm.......
OzMike
Well-known member
The most inconsiderate of all road users.
We've done this one quite a few times now. Roads are funded from central tax so everyone pays.
You STILL haven't got it have you? Roads are paid for via general taxation, NOT Vehicle Excise Duty. They are for EVERYONE to use, paid for by EVERYONE. If you don't like paying VED, get a vehicle with lower emissions so you don't have to pay it, or change your travel arrangements and get rid of the vehicle altogether. Driving is a choice, not a right. Owning a car is a choice, not a right.
Personally I'd cancel Vehicle Excise Duty entirely, and treble fuel duty. Then people will pay more for driving more, and pay more for driving less efficient vehicles.
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Not being unduly negative, but there's a limit to how much shopping you can carry safely on a bike. (excluding India & China, obviously)
Buy less more often. Choices.
Get the train in.
I'm not in and around Brighton of a weekend.
I'd be curious as to how much big bag shopping is done, up and down Western Road and The Laines?
For the sake of a sunny summers Sunday, when the pavements can be opened up to cafes, pubs, restaurants, and shops, no pollution and minimal noise, I'd say a decent amount of new business would be created, still with 6 others days to buy that wardrobe from Argos (which you'd get delivered).
EH? Have spent the last 4 days travelling into and around the city centre on buses that were rammed full of people often with standing room only and 3 times no room for any more.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
That town centre looks completely dead.
While I'm not trying to justify running people over, I'd say anyone on that bike ride is putting themselves at risk by deliberately causing a nuisance in the centre of London, sooner of later they're going to come across someone who's a big enough c**t to just plough through them.
The Stout Yeoman
Master Farter
Can't see this working - No Traffic Lights for the cyclists to ignore ? tsk ... Good to see the cyclists have right of way on the edestrian crossings instead ...