[Finance] Man City accused of breaking EPL financial rules

[pocketseagull]

Relegation is unfair to teams below as it effectively guarantees a promotion spot already taken. Teams should be banned from competing for season(/s) before being reinstated. Obviously no share of TV revenue at that time. No idea if this would be possible tbf.

 

[Hamilton]

I think that’s the final intention with these morally driven football clubs.
Pretty sure about 20 years ago the idea of a European super league was being pushed by a lot of the elite clubs. I’m now starting to hope for it too. Then we can play in a competitive league both financially and footballing, for a change.

With the final in somewhere like, oh I don't know, say Qatar (if only they had a stadium to play it in. Oh, hang on...)

 

[warmleyseagull]

Salivating law firms march into action. Will be at least 2 years before they even reply.

 

[A1X]

I think we can all agree what needs to happen;

Man City - instant full point deduction and relegation
Arsenal - no way Arteta didn’t know, instant full point deduction and relegation
Man Utd - in the same city, no way they didn’t know, instant full point deduction and relegation
Newcastle - almost certainly doing the same, instant full point deduction and relegation
Tottenham - no way they beat City this weekend without also doing this, instant full point deduction and relegation
Brentford - nicknamed the bees, same logo as the city of Manchester, must have known about it, instant full point deduction and relegation
Fulham - the Man City lawyers probably live there, instant full point deduction and relegation
Chelsea - definitely also dodgy, instant full point deduction and relegation
Liverpool - must have come up during European Super League discussions, instant full point deduction and relegation
Aston Villa - sold them Grealish for over the odds so benefitted directly, instant full point deduction and relegation
Palace - half their supporters also support City probably, instant full point deduction and relegation
Forest - all those new players? That’s dodgy. Instant full point deduction and relegation

It’s only fair

 

[JBizzle]

Introducing party politics, once Starmer's PM from Dec 24, what legislation do you envisage to stop Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia and Boehly cheating? Abram and the non-Dom's, Abu Dhabi, arrived under New Labour.

I'd love to see football or governments act decisivily once and for all.

I just can't see Starmer or any PM truly getting involved. A laissez faire stance, plus the inwards investment is secretly loved.

I have to admit, I don't generally want politicians involved in the running of football. Most of them have an outdated view on the game and can't be trusted to make the right decisions.

It should be in the best interests of the PL and FA to properly enforce FFP, however, the dominance of the "Premier League" brand needs to be maintained, and the way that happens is buy bringing the best talent into the league are ever soaring costs. Stunting City and Chelsea's spending only serves to diminish their ability to attract the starts the PL puts up on their posters

 

[Hamilton]

torn between :

1- The PL looking to set a precedent after the leak of the new charter along with the fact that this is the PL and not UEFA. confident of brutal sactions.

and

2- The PL need city and all their wealth to maintain their brand so will let them off very lightly.

It will be the latter. Too harsh a penalty and City will just run off with Real Madrid and Juve (who are also facing sanctions.)

It's almost as if these owners will say "they forced us into forming a European Super League (and perhaps this is where Todd Boehly is playing a clever game - he's anticipating the end of the Premier League).

With Liverpool up for sale, you could soon have a bunch of owners who really don't care what the fans think, and they'll go for it.

Sadly, the fans have also been anaesthetised. Most City fans have forgotten where they came from. Newcastle fans have very quickly turned a blind eye to their ownership. Barca are desperate for something. Real Madrid and Juve have always been a disgrace when it comes to football heritage, roots and their pyramid.

If there was a majority, then Levy would take Tottenham in because he wouldn't want to miss out. Arsenal would then jump ship. Celtic would make a bid for it as they'd see it as the way to join the big boys and PSG would fold. It would then just be up to the Germans who I think would hold out the longest.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Premier League statement confirms “Manchester City have been charged with numerous breaches of financial rules ”.
@martynziegler
now reports that “Man City will not be able to appeal any sanction to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, the one which overturned the UEFA ban.

 

[beorhthelm]

Introducing party politics, once Starmer's PM from Dec 24, what legislation do you envisage to stop Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia and Boehly cheating? Abram and the non-Dom's, Abu Dhabi, arrived under New Labour.

I'd love to see football or governments act decisivily once and for all.

I just can't see Starmer or any PM truly getting involved. A laissez faire stance, plus the inwards investment is secretly loved.

nor should they get involved. from a government's point of view these are private companies selling their product and no need for legislation. let the football industry fix this, between FA and PL they have the means and in their interest to do something.

 

[Weststander]

nor should they get involved. from a government's point of view these are private companies selling their product and no need for legislation. let the football industry fix this, between FA and PL they have the means and in their interest to do something.

Agreed, subject to UEFA and the EPL dealing properly with corruption / breaking of internal laws.

I found the grandstanding against football governance by MP's at the Culture Select Committee cringeworthy. All about them, sensing a trendy subject to get their faux hackles up.

Targeting the 'national sport'. Football gets an awful lot right, much behind the scenes for example support for charities, hospitals and folk seriously ill.

Football must now firmly deal with these cheating clubs.

 

[SeagullinExile]

I'd prefer it this season. Give us a better chance at landing that place in Europe.

No chance it’ll happen this season, if ever. It’ll drag on for years.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

We got fined £366,600 for transfer rule breaches that we owned up to. Man City have not complied and obfuscated all the way through this investigation.

The Premier league is at risk of becoming as dull as the the other top European leagues, with a single club winning every season.

Now is the time to throw the book at the cheating bastards and reset the league. Make it a level playing field won on merit not by financial doping.

 

[el punal]

I think my idea is unrealistic though and would never get imposed.

However, going forward if they are serious a points deduction is the only sanction these clubs will understand. Otherwise they spend BIG BIG, take the transfer ban, fine etc and carry on as before.

These owners / despot states have unlimited resources we all know that.

Sadly, I can't see the current government doing anything. They will welcome money from anywhere if they can get away with it politically.

True, they might have all the resources, all the money, but if the points are deducted - what then? This case, if proven, will show if the FA/PL have the resolve or balls to punish City and other miscreants. Or will it?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I have to admit, I don't generally want politicians involved in the running of football. Most of them have an outdated view on the game and can't be trusted to make the right decisions.

It should be in the best interests of the PL and FA to properly enforce FFP, however, the dominance of the "Premier League" brand needs to be maintained, and the way that happens is buy bringing the best talent into the league are ever soaring costs. Stunting City and Chelsea's spending only serves to diminish their ability to attract the starts the PL puts up on their posters

Well yes. Starmer seems to be being blamed for Man City being investigated for FFP as well as for workers being on strike etc etc. Very odd

 

[dazzer6666]

True, they might have all the resources, all the money, but if the points are deducted - what then? This case, if proven, will show if the FA/PL have the resolve or balls to punish City and other miscreants. Or will it?

They have to now……also need to prove they can self-regulate in the light of the upcoming government interference with appointment of an independent regulator. Zero chance it’ll be resolved before the start of next season though I would think.

 

[Seasider78]

Any eventual punishment will be dwarfed by the benefit they have gained from this financial advantage over the period of this investigation so whilst interesting this is nothing but grandstanding by the PL.

 

[GT49er]

Personally I would love to see Citeh being forced to 'do a Rangers' and start again from the 4th. division (sorry, League 2 for the benefit of younger readers), but I think a few 'Tut-tuts' and some serious - very serious - hand-wringing will be the order of the day.

Manchester City's oil-state battlaion of barristers will then challenge the EPL for costs, and win. Money destined for trickling down the pyramid will have to be diverted to recompense Citeh for their trouble, and rules against other clubs crashing the top 6 or taking up any European places will be strengthened.

 

[The Fits]

Any eventual punishment will be dwarfed by the benefit they have gained from this financial advantage over the period of this investigation so whilst interesting this is nothing but grandstanding by the PL.

Exactly. Ultimately its worth it for these clubs. WTF is the point? They should be placed into administration and banned from competing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

"All be it different charges, but Swindon Town, it's staff, players, management and fans were shafted by the football authorities in 1990 over 36 charges, THIRTY SIX ! Let's see how they deal with the 100 plus alleged charges that are alleged against Man City, Martin"

 

[attila]

We need a salary cap and transfer fee cap NOW. Money is destroying football.

The very same Guardian sports section which broke this news had a headline ‘Brighton victims of their own success’. In other words, even the supposedly ‘enlightened’ football world thinks it is ‘inevitable’ that we will be ‘forced’ to sell our best players even though we don’t need the money.

After the worst of times, we are now enjoying the best of times, and the whole world is telling us it won’t last, even though we’re groundbreaking, clever and have a brilliant recruitment strategy, because ‘money says no.’

I don’t think that’s true. I think we’re cleverer than money. But if it is the case, as the crowing, entitled plastics constantly repeat, then what the hell’s the point?

Following your team through thick and thin is one thing. That’s sport. But when money trumps skill, cleverness and innovation, and sets up a glass ceiling applauded and encouraged by the mainstream media, it’s no longer sport, it’s business.

And I'm Brighton till I die, not business till I die.

 

[Blue3]

Nothing to see here sadly money talks