[News] Major incident in Newhaven

[BN9 BHA]

Comedy gold

I’m offended

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You found the gateway then.

i guess I did!

I actually enjoyed Newhaven as a child. It served me well.

 

[Bakero]

He's not joking, as you would know if you followed his posting history. Immigration, General Racism, he is all over it like a Tramp on chips.

That post was serious, but he slipped up because it is the first time (to my knowledge) that he has actually said exactly what he thinks rather than post some dubious link with a question mark. At least Pretty pink fairy was honest.

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He'll run off and hide now, rather than justify his comment, same as always

This. Bigots gonna bigot.

 

[AmexRuislip]

I’m offended

Blinkered more like

 

[Colonel Mustard]

'We' can't send 'them' back to France because we're no longer in the EU.
Making the UK even more attractive to illegal immigration.

Disingenuous. There was never a time when people were just sent back. There has to be due process which takes years. Anyone failing to get permission to stay can appeal and further appeal which adds a few more years. After that it's the campaigns / petitions to the Home Secretary. Most people who want to stay do stay. I can't find the stats on this now but it's always been like that. You don't have to sell the Remain argument against Brexit to me I can assure you, but this one doesn't really come into it I'm afraid.

We can’t really have a serious discussion on immigration until we get a grown up government that will put a fair and effective system in place to process them and deter gangs from smuggling people.

Of course we can have a serious discussion if we don't start out batting for one side and party point-scoring, as I said earlier. I don't see much evidence of even-handedness here though.

 

[Bry Nylon]

I’m offended

Doesn’t cut it, I’m afraid. To be taken seriously you have to say it like my 14-year old daughter when I ask her why she’s on her phone instead of doing her homework:

“Ewugh - like I’m SO o-ffen-ded by that.”

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Disingenuous. There was never a time when people were just sent back. There has to be due process which takes years. Anyone failing to get permission to stay can appeal and further appeal which adds a few more years. After that it's the campaigns / petitions to the Home Secretary. Most people who want to stay do stay. I can't find the stats on this now but it's always been like that. You don't have to sell the Remain argument against Brexit to me I can assure you, but this one doesn't really come into it I'm afraid.

Of course we can have a serious discussion if we don't start out batting for one side and party point-scoring, as I said earlier. I don't see much evidence of even-handedness here though.

The Dublin Agreement applied when we were in the EU.
There were just 209 transfers out of the UK under the Dublin Regulation. A quarter of these (51) were transfers to France."

 

[zefarelly]

Just how lawless is France these days?

It's the same as it always been, about the same as here, but with better morals. The peasants revolt against those who are revolting

The English are so stupid the peasants blame each other, beat each other up, while the revolting laugh at the profit.

 

[zefarelly]

Says the Lancing resident

Lancing's on the up you know.





at least twice a day





the tide goes out.

Shared ownership with the French innit . . .we take it in turns to have ups and downs.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Lancing's on the up you know.





at least twice a day





the tide goes out.

Shared ownership with the French innit . . .we take it in turns to have ups and downs.

That was something I learned from Coast. The tides are the same on both sides of the Channel. When it’s high tide on the south coast, it’s high tide in northern France as the tide comes up the Channel, and vice versa.

 

[Questions]

i guess I did!

I actually enjoyed Newhaven as a child. It served me well.

You made money ? Say no more.

 

[Questions]

That was something I learned from Coast. The tides are the same on both sides of the Channel. When it’s high tide on the south coast, it’s high tide in northern France as the tide comes up the Channel, and vice versa.

It bulges in the middle. I wonder by how much ?

 

[jessiejames]

A freezer that is not working.

Dont really matter if the freezer was working. A refridgerated / Freezer trailer would be sealed air tight once the back dooors are locked so the air in that unit wwould only last a few hours depending on how many were inside. Thats what happened to those Chinese people in the Essex lorry a few years back.

Intresting that somone on this thread said Ambulances were waiting for the ship to dock. If this is true then at what point did the Authorities know? Common practice in Europe, authorities tipped off, draws the attention to that truck whilst another trucks enters with alot more people unchecked. Chances are the driver could Quite possibly be in on it. Trailer would be sealed with a padlock and security seal, these should have been checked by driver beforestopping at Dieppe.

When i do Europe i will not park up less than 200 miles away from docks. Should i have to due to missing ferry or hold ups you turn the truck around and head south to next lorry park, that way it looks as though you are not going back to England.

 

[zefarelly]

It bulges in the middle. I wonder by how much ?

Depends on the trousers.

 

[Questions]

Depends on the trousers.

Another deep meaningful ethical geographical nay maritime study derailed

 

[Zeberdi]

I wasn't talking about that poster in particular. More of a general comment based on several decades of observation. It's pretty much impossible to have a sensible discussion on immigration as whoever I'm speaking to seems to immediately get quite emotional on one side of the topic or the other.

Maybe not but your post was in response to people getting angry about the racist attitude expressed by that post - I don’t know why you would try and interpret the reaction to the ‘send them back’ Comment as anything different.

I haven’t seen anyone emotional’ because of the topic’ on this thread ( up until the point I posted at least) only annoyed about the Joke’ that immigrants should be ’sent back’.

If you have found ‘after several decades of observation’ that people ‘immediately get emotional‘ every time you discuss immigration, perhaps that says something about how you approach the topic too. I have found that balanced views and empathy for other people’s perspectives can go quite a long way to de-escalate emotive topics.

 

[Bry Nylon]

If you have found ‘after several decades of observation’ that people ‘immediately get emotional‘ every time you discuss immigration, perhaps that says something about how you approach the topic too. I have found that balanced views and empathy for other people’s perspectives can go quite a long way to de-escalate emotive topics.

You appear to have failed to include ‘being spectacularly patronising’ alongside your other self-observed qualities.

 

[Giraffe]

There’s always a balance to be struck, but most people seem incapable of striking it. I have full sympathy with genuine refugees in fear of their lives and needing assistance. I think the developed world as a whole should be cooperating to establish a system of providing help — or even better in some cases, tackling the root cause of their plight.

At the other end of the scale you have simple economic migration which I’ve also no problem with at all, as long as it’s managed legally and efficiently, and based on matching skills with skills shortages. I’ve been an economic migrant myself, living and working in several countries, all above board. There are also two countries (US and Australia) that I applied for work permits to, but was refused. I was a bit pissed off at the time, but I didn’t meet the criteria and had to accept the decision,

The Newhaven incident looks like a simple case of illegal people smuggling, presumably from France if they were in the container for just a few hours. It's quite an industry, and I don’t have much patience with it.

Like a lot of contentious issues, people get stupidly polarised. As outlined above, there are very clearly distinct groups of migrants, and it’s not just possible but perfectly reasonable to be in favour of some but against others. Some people feel bound to support all migration regardless of legality, country of origin and motivation. Others seem completely opposed to all migration regardless of legality, country of origin and motivation. The most rational position to take is somewhere between the two. Until people stop being so naive and ideological about this issue (and I’m looking at both camps here), it will continue to antagonise everyone.

Excellent post

 

[Seagull58]

That is beside the point in many cases.

What’s your point?

You haven’t understood what I’ve written.

I sense you never will.

Sure some want to come to the U.K. for perceived economic reasons. I don't doubt that for a second.

Be more direct. It gets better results.

single men coming over as econo.ic migrants should be sent straight back.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

single men coming over as econo.ic migrants should be sent straight back.

Let the married ones stay?