62% is very disappointing - particularly when the other vaccines are 90%.
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Not really - more important to note that nobody in the trials needed hospital treatment (so whilst it doesn’t stop you getting Covid, it does stop you getting seriously ill).
Also, the 62% is only one of the figures being used and is based on two full doses - research is ongoing and it’s likely the dose regime will be flexed further down the line.
Lancing beach green rammed yesterday and I expect the same today. I imagine the majority of people are now only adhering to tier restrictions when they have no choice, no pubs open, no gyms etc.
They certainly don’t seem interested in social distancing, staying indoors, no non essential travel etc.
Through a combination of blurred lines, multiple tiers that make no sense, mixed messages and total lack of willingness to enforce the law, the government have lost this. They aren’t getting control back. God only knows what mess they will make of the vaccination program.
And while I’m here, what is this media campaign to make us believe it all gets better from midnight on Thursday? 2021 - the year we bounce back. And all that crap? We’ve got months and months of this left yet, if not longer. We may start to see some form of normality around July. Until covid 20 of course.
They certainly don’t seem interested in social distancing, staying indoors, no non essential travel etc.
Through a combination of blurred lines, multiple tiers that make no sense, mixed messages and total lack of willingness to enforce the law, the government have lost this. They aren’t getting control back. God only knows what mess they will make of the vaccination program.
And while I’m here, what is this media campaign to make us believe it all gets better from midnight on Thursday? 2021 - the year we bounce back. And all that crap? We’ve got months and months of this left yet, if not longer. We may start to see some form of normality around July. Until covid 20 of course.
2021 is the year the fall out from lockdowns hits.
Mortgage payment holidays stopped
Etc etc
Isn’t 62 percent higher than flu vaccines?
100% the government cannot keep giving hand outs. That’s not a criticism. No government could cover the fallout from this. 2021-2024, it’s gonna be rough as heck.
Hence why we are at record daily cases. The new variant may be more transmissible but you still have to put yourself in a situation where you are exposed to it in order to catch it.
God knows how people are going to act once they have the vaccine given they are potentially still able to pass it on to those who haven’t had the jab.
The government have been far too lax on those ignoring the rules.
beorhthelm
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not a fair comparison. flu is a moving target with different strains floating around, so might be effective against the one targeted while others prevalent. mucks up the stats as cases just marked as influenza, not by strain, so varies wildly year to year. anything over 50% is considered good enough, especially if resistance leading to milder symptoms.
crodonilson
He/Him
People getting way ahead of themselves.on the vaccine. Heard Welsh health minister Vaughan Gethjing put it more realistically. To vaccinate the entire adult population by Easter is nigh on impossible and he didn't think we could really ease restrictions until everyone has been vaccinated, probably towards the end of 2021 with a bit of luck and a fair wind.
Seems the government have decided to move the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine from 3 weeks to 12 despite Pfizer saying they have no evidence that the first dose is effective beyond 3 weeks. That seems a strange decision given the hurdles that the pharma companies have to go through to get approval in the first place.
Is this the first sign of this government inevitably ****ing up the vaccine program?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-downing-street-to-hold-oxford-vaccine-briefing-12174643
Is this the first sign of this government inevitably ****ing up the vaccine program?
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-downing-street-to-hold-oxford-vaccine-briefing-12174643
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
we vaccinate 30m adults and children within couple of months every year, so seems reasonable for 55m adults by Easter with some extra effort. a stretch for two dose, hence the change 12 week schedule perhaps. maybe things are slower in Wales?
That’s the next moving of the goal posts.
studio150
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So virtually all of England now in tier 4, I assume the few areas that are in tier 3 are only there to avoid a national lockdown.
I would say the bit about not easing restrictions is clearly nonsense given that the restrictions are about stopping the NHS getting overloaded and most of the people in hospitals are from the groups that will get vaccinated first.
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crodonilson
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Perhaps we'll do something different in England but it sounds like Wales won't ease restrictions until all of their adult population is vaccinated and they're already highly sceptical about that happening by Easter. It's a mammoth task, only a relatively small percentage get the flu vaccine which only requires one dose.
We also have to consider that these vaccination centres could in themselves become breeding grounds for transmission and there are no tangible benefits in terms of immunity for several weeks. So if someone were to contract the virus whilst getting their vaccine they would get no benefit from the vaccination. I think the government has over promised again, would be amazed if any tangible restrictions were eased until early summer and 2019 normality was with us in 2021 at all.
Solid at the back
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Add to that, what consequences could there be by vaccinating somebody who has the virus? Possible further mutation?
I think it's the Oxford vaccine that 2nd shot can be administered up to 12 weeks later than 1st. The Pfizer change was to adjust the regimen that 2nd should be exactly 21 days after 1st.
Disagree. Once the elderly, vulnerable and key workers have been vaccinated and it’s had time to take effect, the number of people getting seriously ill, numbers going in to hospitals and ICU and dying will plummet, so restrictions will be able to be gradually relaxed as the NHS will be able to cope. End Feb seems realistic if the logistics are being put in place.
Biggest concern for me now is the fvckwits who can’t wait.
