Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[ManOfSussex]

I came down with a fever midway through the Sheffield Wednesday cup game on January the 4th (not brought on by the lousy game).

I went in fine, by the end I was very feverish and somehow got myself home. I was Ill for a day or two, developed a dry cough, and a feeling of tight chestedness persisted for a few weeks.

In other words, all symptoms of Covid-19 but for a while it seemed too early to have got it. Now people are talking about it having been around since before then, as early as September.

I’d love to know if I’d had it. It couldn’t have been flu as it was over in a day or two and it wasn’t a cold either. At the time I thought it was a relapse of the Norovirus I’d had (a mild dose) four weeks earlier (although I wasn’t sick). But for a while now I’ve been wondering...

The other thing with me is I went to every home league game this season, bar Chelsea, before it got suspended. I go by train to The Amex. Most games I went to I got soaked beforehand coming up from Falmer station, or afterwards waiting to get on a train because of how wet the weather was during the autumn and winter. After getting soaked I normally came down with something or other the following week. I certainly had far more colds and things this autumn/winter than I normally do, some worse than others. I didn't get wet at that Watford game though. Whatever I had the week after it included the cough and my chest hurting and a fever for a few nights. I may have already had Covid-19, I may not. Did I have seasonal flu or not? I'd love to know if I had it as well. It's just the fact as I said, people at work were dropping like flies come March time to go off to self isolate and asymptomatic or not, I wasn't one of them.

 

[The Wizard]

It’s interesting because 110000 people have been officially tested positive and the majority of those positives were ill enough to have to go to hospital to be tested, imagine the number of people who have had it but self isolated and were never tested? It must be AT least 20 times that surely? And then if you’re saying up to 80% of carriers can have zero symptoms you’re already at a number approaching 10 million possible cases.

If the virus is as contagious as they say it is who knows what that number could truly be? But the trouble is as I said on the last page, without a reliable antibodies pin prick test it’s simply impossible to scale up the testing enough for us to know for months, the only reliable way of testing at the moment is an antigen blood test, which are slow and not really logistically possible to scale up to the levels you would need to prove it

 

[ManOfSussex]

Of course the mad thing is that in the next 9-12 months there's going to be a massive baby boom thanks to people bored in lockdown passing a bit of time. And those babies are going to spend the next 80 years telling us how much better life was in lockdown compared to then.

There's so many knock-on effects to The NHS from this. A baby boom is just one of them.

The Royal College of Midwives said last year there's nearly a 2500 shortfall of midwives in England - https://www.rcm.org.uk/news-views/r...ost-2-500-midwives-new-birth-figures-confirm/

The Government have committed to training up 3000 more Midwives over the next 3 years, but then this happens and midwifery students are redirected to help in the pandemic - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...xcited-as-they-enter-workforce-early-11973894

So many Catch 22's to contend with.

 

[Mellotron]

From what I understand, those under 40 years old have greater propensity to harbour in an asymptomatic manner.

I’m a bit confused how they can know someone has had it if they are asymptomatic and don’t produce antibodies? Anyone?

 

[WilburySeagull]

There's so many knock-on effects to The NHS from this. A baby boom is just one of them.

The Royal College of Midwives said last year there's nearly a 2500 shortfall of midwives in England - https://www.rcm.org.uk/news-views/r...ost-2-500-midwives-new-birth-figures-confirm/

The Government have committed to training up 3000 more Midwives over the next 3 years, but then this happens and midwifery students are redirected to help in the pandemic - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...xcited-as-they-enter-workforce-early-11973894

So many Catch 22's to contend with.

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The baby boom after lockdown is likely to be just as mythical as that after other similar darkesses according to what I have read (sorry I cant remember source but it was science based.) Nice for media hype but actually "fake news"

 

[Triggaaar]

It couldn’t have been flu as it was over in a day or two

I don't think that's a thing? I'm sure some people recover from the flu quickly sometimes.

 

[beorhthelm]

I’m a bit confused how they can know someone has had it if they are asymptomatic and don’t produce antibodies? Anyone?

you cant tell. i dont believe this is possible anyway, unless you carry the virus without being infected, some form of immunity?

 

[Jim D]

And if the answer is that they really can't be cleaned then why not make them from a material that can be? I expect this could make them more expensive, but this overall cost would soon be overtaken by the much smaller numbers required. And if you can do that to the visors then why not the gowns and gloves too? If soap kills CV19 then just wash in a large soapy vat and hang or blow to dry.

I'm glad that some people that count are now thinking of this. Manufacturers make these items and stamp 'single use only' on them knowing full well that those in the NHS aren't going to question it. Now that we have a crisis people are thinking outside of this rigid box. That's what happens in all such situations as this.

 

[RossyG]

I don't think that's a thing? I'm sure some people recover from the flu quickly sometimes.

My two previous flu experiences lasted the whole week. But until I’m tested and get an answer one way or the other, I’ll act as if I didn’t have Covid-19.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I’m a bit confused how they can know someone has had it if they are asymptomatic and don’t produce antibodies? Anyone?

Must have previously tested positively.

 

[Mellotron]

you cant tell. i dont believe this is possible anyway, unless you carry the virus without being infected, some form of immunity?

Check most recent tweets from Prof Karol Sikora. Unless I’m reading it wrong, it seems to be what he’s suggesting.

Perhaps they are people who tested positive on the “do you have it now?” test but now seem to hold no antibodies?

 

[Mellotron]

you cant tell. i dont believe this is possible anyway, unless you carry the virus without being infected, some form of immunity?

Sorry was being lazy, here;

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[The Wizard]

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

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Shouldn't put too much emphasis on day to day changes, but approx 1500 more tests today compared to yesterday, but fewer positive results. Let's hope that continues.

 

[pearl]

The other thing with me is I went to every home league game this season, bar Chelsea, before it got suspended. I go by train to The Amex. Most games I went to I got soaked beforehand coming up from Falmer station, or afterwards waiting to get on a train because of how wet the weather was during the autumn and winter. After getting soaked I normally came down with something or other the following week. I certainly had far more colds and things this autumn/winter than I normally do, some worse than others. I didn't get wet at that Watford game though. Whatever I had the week after it included the cough and my chest hurting and a fever for a few nights. I may have already had Covid-19, I may not. Did I have seasonal flu or not? I'd love to know if I had it as well. It's just the fact as I said, people at work were dropping like flies come March time to go off to self isolate and asymptomatic or not, I wasn't one of them.

Similar. I have just looked back in my diary, not sure it means a thing but anyways ....

Friday 15th Nov - Got Soaked
that weekend I had a persistent cough, but didn't feel ill
Monday 18th Nov - went to Antony Gormley exhibition at RA.
I remember feeling awkward as kept coughing and had no water with me
Thursday 21st Nov - woke up ill - cold
Friday 22nd Nov - feel shit, stayed in bed, feverish
I remember pouring with sweat all day
Saturday 23rd Nov - went to football, OK, but got soaked after
A week later ...
2nd Dec - feel ill AGAIN!

Monday 27th January - throat infection, but don't feel ill.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Similar. I have just looked back in my diary, not sure it means a thing but anyways ....

Friday 15th Nov - Got Soaked
that weekend I had a persistent cough, but didn't feel ill
Monday 18th Nov - went to Antony Gormley exhibition at RA.
I remember feeling awkward as kept coughing and had no water with me
Thursday 21st Nov - woke up ill - cold
Friday 22nd Nov - feel shit, stayed in bed, feverish
I remember pouring with sweat all day
Saturday 23rd Nov - went to football, OK, but got soaked after
A week later ...
2nd Dec - feel ill AGAIN!

Monday 27th January - throat infection, but don't feel ill.

Off the top of my head there was at least one occasion I got soaked shopping and picked something up, but every other occasion was after an Albion game.

 

[beorhthelm]

Sorry was being lazy, here;

needs the paper published and probably more studies to verify before too much is read into this. pretty important impact on public policy.

 

[Bob'n'weave]

This is an interesting take on how we can manage lifting the lid on lockdown. Apps to monitor movement/transmission? Already being used in China and South Korea.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/04/09/science.abb6936

 

[The Wizard]

Over the last 24 hours the number of people in hospital with the virus reduced by 5%

 

[jabba]

Over the last 24 hours the number of people in hospital with the virus reduced by 5%View attachment 122413

It's good that they show the same graphs each time but they should also show a total rather than just regions for hospital beds occupied.
I realise some places (eg London) was meant to be ahead of others in the disease course, but we all went into social-distancing at the same time.