Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Wrong-Direction]

This is very reassuring if true. Any strategy based on Herd Immunity seemed cruel at best and ignorantly evil at worst. I don’t believe
Matt Hancock however, because they didn’t screen or quarantine travellers from Italy when it became a hotspot or prevent 3,000 Madrid fans from visiting Liverpool as Spain was clearly heading for hotspot status very soon. Contrast this action with those of the USA and New Zealand.



The NHS has been starved of funding for years and our ratio of ICU beds to people is a national disgrace. We are so far behind the likes of Germany and Italy it’s frightening. Transforming ‘production lines’ is something from WW2 that I never thought we’d see but it does sound like a complete load of Hancock fantasist nonsense, I’m hoping someone sense checked that for the man. How many of our factories can actually change to making ventilators from the thousands of other things they make in the time required?



And here is the WW2 Blitz comparison we can now expect with almost every government ministerial or Prime ministerial communication. It’s going to ring like ‘get Brexit done’ as Johnson privately dons a bowler hat and cigar, smiles and admires himself in the mirror.

My misses says she cant even get wheelchairs for her patients let alone ventilators

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[CHAPPERS]

How long does it take to manufacture and deliver a ventilator?

 

[Rodney Thomas]

To be fair, it IS even less than a cold for certain age groups. So they're not wrong in a sense.

It's just incredibly and abhorrently self-regarding to say so when it is anything but for other age groups.

Unfortunately we have no shortage of people who are very inward thinking amongst the very young, who are unable to conceptualise their own mortality let alone their actions affecting anyone elses.

Patient 1 in Italy, a 38 year old marathon runner who turned out for his local football team every week, had to spend over 8 weeks in hospital.

What the **** are you talking about?

 

[Curious Orange]

I can't help feeling that a lot of the actions going on around the world are for appearance sake rather than any practical purposes. I'm specifically thinking about the flight bans to the US - the virus is already there.

The best we can do is mitigate. Keep clean, and keep our old folk safe.

 

[redoubtable seagull]

Patient 1 in Italy, a 38 year old marathon runner who turned out for his local football team every week, had to spend over 8 weeks in hospital.

What the **** are you talking about?

He spent 3 weeks in hospital but I get your point. A healthy young man on life support for 3 weeks. How are hospitals going to cope with numbers inevitably set to grow.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

And here is the anticipated WW2 Blitz comparison we can now expect with almost every government ministerial or Prime ministerial communication. It’s going to ring like ‘get Brexit done’ as Johnson privately dons a bowler hat and cigar, winks, smiles and admires himself in the mirror.

Keep Calm and Wash Your Hands

 

[peterward]

Because it isn’t a “severe flu”. I’ve taken my temperature and it’s not above the level considered a “temperature”. The cough has also not fully materialised. It’s been at the level where I couldn’t tell if it was psychosomatic or not, if that makes sense. However, I am self isolating as I still feel mildly feverish.

Best of luck mate.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Interesting points I thought. If the UK population cannot control itself in the buying of toilet rolls, how is it expected to adhere to strict long term lock down policies?

A clear warning is provided by global health expert Dr Michael Head, of Southampton University. “The UK population have significant control over their daily life,” he said yesterday. “You choose when to pop out for a pint of milk or go to a concert. Significant disruptions greatly reduce that control and thus need high population compliance. You won’t get that over a long period of time.

“People already can’t be trusted to buy toilet roll properly, so how about long-term compliance when significant levels of freedom are removed and there’s a need to stay indoors for long periods of time? The evidence, as we have it right now, suggests it will decline.”

This point was echoed by Adam Kucharski of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. “It’s easy to say, ‘Let’s just do what Wuhan did’, but the actions there have involved a change to daily life that has been unimaginable in scale and impact.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/boris-johnson-coronavirus-outbreak-how-strategy-shifted?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[peterward]

This is very reassuring if true. Any strategy based on Herd Immunity seemed cruel at best and ignorantly evil at worst. I don’t believe
Matt Hancock however, because they didn’t screen or quarantine travellers from Italy when it became a hotspot or prevent 3,000 Madrid fans from visiting Liverpool as Spain was clearly heading for hotspot status very soon. Did they want Covid-19 spread early as part of the ‘flattening the curve’ strategy? Contrast this action with those of the USA and New Zealand who are either shutting down all flights to their countries or putting in a 14 day quarantine (New Zealand are doing this on six cases, they won’t be locking down their public anytime soon because they are in control).



The NHS has been starved of funding for years and our ratio of ICU beds to people is a national disgrace. We are so far behind the likes of Germany and Italy it’s frightening. Transforming ‘production lines’ is something from WW2 that I never thought we’d see but it does sound like a complete load of Hancock fantasist nonsense, I’m hoping someone sense checked that for the man. How many of our factories can actually change to making ventilators from the thousands of other things they make in the time required?



And here is the anticipated WW2 Blitz comparison we can now expect with almost every government ministerial or Prime ministerial communication. It’s going to ring like ‘get Brexit done’ as Johnson privately dons a bowler hat and cigar, winks, smiles and admires himself in the mirror.

There is no doubt the NHS is under funded, or that funding has not matched huge population increases since the year 2000.

But it's not the time or place to throw stones about that now, after this is over there has to be a national non partisan reckoning about NHS funding. It should become non politicised and have cross party ownership with ring fenced spending.

What Hancock is suggesting re ventilators is the right step. Whatever got us here cannot be changed today, blaming is not going to save one life , what can get us through this period and save lives needs to happen. And if just a handful of ventilators are made it will save some. Hundreds or thousands even more so.

Writing a blank cheque for the NHS right now and repurposing production lines should be supported regardless of political allegiance. The rest needs addressing the other side of this.

 

[Nobby]

If you havnt done so already I strongly suggest you look into religious insurance for CV.
Had a policy provider knocking on the doorstep today who guaranteed immunity from CV provided I pray to be free from it, believe in the power of the Lord and make a donation.
They seem to be the only people offering insurance on this……..…worth looking into I reckon. Stupid not to consider it.

Did you punch his lights out?

It would have done your neighbours a favour

 

[Nobby]

The population of the world is probably too many as of today, so diseases like this might actually be a good thing in the long run in controlling the population. Nature trying to redress the balance.

Great sentiments

But forgive me for not totally accepting my fate just yet

 

[Nobby]

This is very reassuring if true. Any strategy based on Herd Immunity seemed cruel at best and ignorantly evil at worst. I don’t believe
Matt Hancock however, because they didn’t screen or quarantine travellers from Italy when it became a hotspot or prevent 3,000 Madrid fans from visiting Liverpool as Spain was clearly heading for hotspot status very soon. Did they want Covid-19 spread early as part of the ‘flattening the curve’ strategy? Contrast this action with those of the USA and New Zealand who are either shutting down all flights to their countries or putting in a 14 day quarantine (New Zealand are doing this on six cases, they won’t be locking down their public anytime soon because they are in control).



The NHS has been starved of funding for years and our ratio of ICU beds to people is a national disgrace. We are so far behind the likes of Germany and Italy it’s frightening. Transforming ‘production lines’ is something from WW2 that I never thought we’d see but it does sound like a complete load of Hancock fantasist nonsense, I’m hoping someone sense checked that for the man. How many of our factories can actually change to making ventilators from the thousands of other things they make in the time required?



And here is the anticipated WW2 Blitz comparison we can now expect with almost every government ministerial or Prime ministerial communication. It’s going to ring like ‘get Brexit done’ as Johnson privately dons a bowler hat and cigar, winks, smiles and admires himself in the mirror.

Great post

Exactly as I see it

 

[peterward]

Great sentiments

But forgive me for not totally accepting my fate just yet

Come on hand over some loved ones, to take one for the team!

 

[sydney]

How long does it take to manufacture and deliver a ventilator?

there's a manufacturer in London .....most are in U.S and Europe.....

 

[abc]

I can't help feeling that a lot of the actions going on around the world are for appearance sake rather than any practical purposes. I'm specifically thinking about the flight bans to the US - the virus is already there.

The best we can do is mitigate. Keep clean, and keep our old folk safe.

I cant help feel that the world wide response to this reflects today's society in that we have cannot accept that we cant 'take control' of everything and 'somebody (but 'not me') has to be responsible', rather than this is a virus 'owned' by nature and the best thing we can do is, as you say, mitigate as best we can, keep clean and focus on protecting the most vulnerable.

We have gone way beyond this now and the response is more like the end of the world is nigh. I am convinced that there will be far more people around the world that will die (and principally those on the lowest incomes, in the poorest regions of the world) from the economic fall out of the actions taken than from the virus itself.

Boris and the Chief medical advisor have tried to be more measured and cautious partly for this reason. But the media and a few self serving opposition (and ex tory) politicians have been determined to drive 'the people' to demand more and more extreme action. We do not do this with flu and yet c.500 000 people die every year world wide from flu. However we do not associate flu with global economic collapse but this will be the long term legacy of Covid 19.

 

[Triggaaar]

To be fair, it IS even less than a cold for certain age groups. So they're not wrong in a sense.

It's just incredibly and abhorrently self-regarding to say so when it is anything but for other age groups.

Unfortunately we have no shortage of people who are very inward thinking amongst the very young, who are unable to conceptualise their own mortality let alone their actions affecting anyone elses.

Weirdly some of the 'it's only a cold' posse on NSC are not at all young and have no good excuse for their poor judgement on this.

 

[lawros left foot]

I’m only going to take this seriously when the Government release a Coronavirus commemorative 50p piece.

 

[Wozza]

God, this is bad news. Really, really bad news.

Japanese man tests positive for coronavirus again
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/

(Not the first - but won't be the last)

 

[Triggaaar]

Pop onto the running thread where you’ll find it’s just a media frenzy.

I think I'd end up getting banned.

 

[peterward]

I think I'd end up getting banned.

Are there really still 'media frenzy' and 'just the flu' genuine advocates still left?