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herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
This is all over FB. There are already some Brighton FB Coronavirus groups with people offering to support the self isolating. This is great, and I've been seeking them out for myself as I want to volunteer too- would just be mindful that it is still preferable to have processed and vetted volunteers of some kind. I mean I would much prefer that if someone was visiting my folks if I was locked down elsewhere, that it wasn't just joe bloggs but joe bloggs who had had even rudimentary vetting by Age Concern, Age UK etc. It's easier for me to volunteer with these agencies as I have an enhanced DBS and worked recently in adult social care but still, be careful.
SIMMO SAYS
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Cotton Socks
Skint Supporter
- Feb 20, 2017
- 2,151
Whatever the differing opinions that people have on this thread of how we should deal with this, and whether the current advice and decisions are right or wrong, please can everyone just be slightly mindful that some contributors are, for whatever reason, scared.
Telling people to 'get a grip' and dismissive retorts like that are not in any way shape or form helpful to anyone. At the end of the day, no one knows the answers, no one knows what is the best thing to do but being understanding of how people feel is actually quite important right now, whether you agree with them or not.
Discussions yes, that's great, but when others are turning on people that they may not realise (if they haven't been following the whole thread) are feeling extra anxious right now, that's not so good. I'm going to put in #together, even though that's really cheesy!
Telling people to 'get a grip' and dismissive retorts like that are not in any way shape or form helpful to anyone. At the end of the day, no one knows the answers, no one knows what is the best thing to do but being understanding of how people feel is actually quite important right now, whether you agree with them or not.
Discussions yes, that's great, but when others are turning on people that they may not realise (if they haven't been following the whole thread) are feeling extra anxious right now, that's not so good. I'm going to put in #together, even though that's really cheesy!
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Thank you.
It's a concerning time for us all, it's good to see a bit of positivity now and then.
You won't get much shopping in the back of an Aston Martin, no matter how much you've modified it.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,013
Sorry, I'm not picking on you but what, exactly will anti-bacterial wipes do to a virus?
I've been wondering this ever since the supermarket shelves have been stripped of anti-bacterial gel and wipes
antibacterial is just used as short hand, they will kill virus and bacteria.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Couldn't drive it either! (never learnt)
Important info from the Health Secretary... behind a f**king paywall! (I've reached article limit)
Can anyone cut n paste please?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/14/must-do-everything-power-protect-lives/
Can anyone cut n paste please?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/14/must-do-everything-power-protect-lives/
Coronavirus / Covid-19
No offence but WTF?
Why are you out and about when you have such severe flu symptoms? Don’t you think that’s selfish given the harm this thing does to older generations?
Just wow at how some people still aren’t taking this seriously. Honestly this attitude right here is why governments have to enforce lockdowns.
No offence but WTF?
Why are you out and about when you have such severe flu symptoms? Don’t you think that’s selfish given the harm this thing does to older generations?
Just wow at how some people still aren’t taking this seriously. Honestly this attitude right here is why governments have to enforce lockdowns.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
- 6,824
Wtf - what an utterly ridiculous post. The reason we have the stuff happening that you mentioned is absolutely nothing to do with the average man on the street, whether they were concerned 6 weeks ago or not. Ffs, get a bloody grip. You said yourself you were out and about today. So you're no better or worse than the rest of us.
Seems the government are revealing their hand through their chosen few, such as Peston.
The anti-Johnson brigade should be prepared to swing from: "The government are doing nothing to protect the vulnerable, they will die" to "The government are going too much to the vulnerable, they will die"...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-government-doesn-t-yet-know-about-the-coronavirus
Oh, this too:
The anti-Johnson brigade should be prepared to swing from: "The government are doing nothing to protect the vulnerable, they will die" to "The government are going too much to the vulnerable, they will die"...
Given that the government has been widely criticised for not taking dramatic enough prophylactic action, surprisingly it will - I think - lead Whitty to pretty soon recommend measures that will feel severe and unkind, namely that older people and those with chronic illness should be barred from any but essential physical contact with people.
Which in crude terms means the elderly being prevented from mixing with their children, grandchildren and younger friends.
Why?
Because the statistics are clear that the likely need for hospitalisation as result of catching Covid-19 rises very sharply over the age of 70.
Now you may feel this is common sense.
But for those who are old, and may in any case have not much longer to live, it is miserable to be cut off from those they love.
In fact it is worse than that. For some old and infirm, ending contact for an extended period with their loved ones can lead to chronic depression, and cause some to give up the will to live.
Which in crude terms means the elderly being prevented from mixing with their children, grandchildren and younger friends.
Why?
Because the statistics are clear that the likely need for hospitalisation as result of catching Covid-19 rises very sharply over the age of 70.
Now you may feel this is common sense.
But for those who are old, and may in any case have not much longer to live, it is miserable to be cut off from those they love.
In fact it is worse than that. For some old and infirm, ending contact for an extended period with their loved ones can lead to chronic depression, and cause some to give up the will to live.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-government-doesn-t-yet-know-about-the-coronavirus
Oh, this too:
Now I understand Whitty has not been instructed by Johnson or the health secretary to restrict his advice to policies that are affordable or do less damage to the economy. That may happen at some point, but so far Whitty has given the advice he believes is best for our health and has encountered no push back.
Those screens are beyond disgusting, and frankly a pain to navigate. I never use them, and honestly cannot fathom why anyone does. Just walk to the counter and they'll take your order, pay contactless, and eat your food with shit-free hands.
Seems a better idea.
Wow.
I think anyone in this thread should definitely watch it before commenting further.
After seeing that poor, young girl suffer I'm suddenly a lot less casual about getting it.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,684
The coronavirus outbreak is the biggest public health emergency in a generation.
It calls for dramatic action, at home and abroad, of the kind not normally seen in peacetime.
Our goal is clear. The over-riding objective is to protect life. Sadly 21 people have already died in the UK, and the fact that most had underlying health conditions does not make the grief of their families any lesser, nor our compassion for their family and friends any weaker. We must all do everything in our power to tackle this virus.
We have a plan, based on the expertise of world-leading scientists. Herd immunity is not a part of it. That is a scientific concept, not a goal or a strategy. Our goal is to protect life from this virus, our strategy is to protect the most vulnerable and protect the NHS through contain, delay, research and mitigate.
We are working through our clear action plan. Like all our decisions, the plan is based on the bedrock of the science, with maximum transparency. We will do the right thing at the right time, based on the best available science.
To protect life, we must protect the vulnerable, and protect the NHS and flatten the curve.
From the moment coronavirus emerged, we have followed those goals.
We have acted to contain the spread of the virus so far. We have carried out some of the highest number of tests in Europe, our surveillance testing is among the most sophisticated in the world and the UK’s plans for the rapid response to and mitigation of the spread of an epidemic are ranked number one above any other country by the Global Health Security Index. Most importantly of all, thanks to our record levels of tracing the number of people who came into contact with the first people who caught the virus, the initial growth was slowed significantly, and the growth of the virus in the UK has been slower than many major European countries. This action has already prevented the NHS being put under greater pressure in its hardest season of the year. We have bought valuable time to prepare.
Last week we stepped into the next phase of our response. We took action to advise anyone with symptoms, however mild, to stay at home. This advice from the Chief Medical Officer will be reinforced with a national communications campaign so everyone knows what they can do: how you can play your part. The new campaign will set out the latest clinical advice, for people to stay at home for seven days if they develop a high temperature or new continuous cough. We can all keep doing our bit by continuing to wash our hands more often, for 20 seconds or more and having plenty of tissues around to ‘catch it, bin it, kill it’. Following this new advice may sound simple, but it could be lifesaving for others around us, especially the most vulnerable.
Today, we take further action, with a call to arms for a drive to build the ventilators and other equipment the NHS will need. We are better equipped thanks to the NHS than most other countries, but we will need many more. We now need any manufacturers to transform their production lines to make ventilators. We cannot make too many.
In the near future we will take further steps. SAGE has advised the next planned effective interventions will need to be instituted soon, including measures to ‘shield’ older and medically vulnerable people from the virus. Everyone will need to help to ensure they get the support they need to stay at home, and to protect them from the consequences of isolation: loneliness, and a lack of support. Government, local councils, charities, friends and neighbours will need to be part of the national effort to support the shielded. We will provide expert advice and support as soon as we progress to this phase.
Next week we will publish our emergency bill, to give the Government the temporary powers we will need to help everyone get through this. The measures in it allow for the worst case scenario. I hope many of them won’t be needed. But we will ask Parliament for these powers in case they are.
Our generation has never been tested like this. Our grandparents were, during the Second World War, when our cities were bombed during the Blitz. Despite the pounding every night, the rationing, the loss of life, they pulled together in one gigantic national effort.
Today our generation is facing its own test, fighting a very real and new disease. We must fight the disease to protect life. Everyone will be asked to make sacrifices, to protect themselves and others, especially those most vulnerable to this disease. With our clear action plan, listening to the advice of the best science, and taking the action we all must, I am sure we will rise to this challenge.
Thanks pb21.
SIMMO SAYS
Well-known member
So will there be police waiting at every bus stop preventing people getting on if they are going to see their 86 year old mum?
I ask because I have been doing this for the last eight months.
I may have to lie
I ask because I have been doing this for the last eight months.
I may have to lie
- Apr 5, 2014
- 25,887
I'm happy that Johnson is leaving it in the hands of those who have the most understanding- although even they cannot be sure.
The points made are valid. I just want to hear what best advice is for the elderly sooner rather than later.
pastafarian
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If you havnt done so already I strongly suggest you look into religious insurance for CV.
Had a policy provider knocking on the doorstep today who guaranteed immunity from CV provided I pray to be free from it, believe in the power of the Lord and make a donation.
They seem to be the only people offering insurance on this……..…worth looking into I reckon. Stupid not to consider it.
Had a policy provider knocking on the doorstep today who guaranteed immunity from CV provided I pray to be free from it, believe in the power of the Lord and make a donation.
They seem to be the only people offering insurance on this……..…worth looking into I reckon. Stupid not to consider it.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
That’s disgusting