We've gone from 94 this Thursday to 203 today in Sweden, would not surprise if it goes to thousands soon enough..
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We've gone from 94 this Thursday to 203 today in Sweden, would not surprise if it goes to thousands soon enough..
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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overlooking South Korea. we know SK had a religious cult link, Iran to some minor pilgramage, and earlier reports made a link with a particular Italian mass.
It’s not. Get a grip.
But there's a very high/real risk of fit and healthy people passing it on to vulnerable people - for example, kids via schools to their grandparents.
The incubation period is said to be 5-6 days (mean average) so it's easy to become an unwitting carrier.
And UK hospitals are already rammed. They'll struggle with a large influx of patients who need care and have to be kept in isolation.
There's plenty to be worried about. And plenty of chaos ahead, imo.
I wanted to stop posting to tell people that there is so much more to this than "Most people are probably going to be OK, so stop worrying" but I clearly can't.
In Northern Italy there are reports of hospitals having to choose who is going to have a chance to live and those who are probably going to die due to the number of respirators available. This problem will happen in every hospital in every country if things progress similarly, as seems likely.
In towns in the same region, there are no doctors left to visit those who may have the virus, as all the doctors have become infected themselves and have either been hospitalised or are having to self-isolate.
For all the bollocksy political point-scoring some are already trying to make over the UK's position on this, there won't be many countries, if any at all, that are going to have the vast quantity of excess health capacity - both people and equipment - just sitting around for an eventuality such as this. The spike in demand that this virus is going to create for most countries is something no country has capacity for.
Will I be OK? Probably, yes.
Many won't though.
Outside of China (reminder: they've locked down 60m people) the known cases of this virus are doubling every four days.
A quick lesson in exponential growth for those that have never calculated putting 1p on the first square on a chessboard and doubling it up on each square of the board (try it).
If a country has 500 cases, it only takes 11 double-ups (ie 44 days at current growth rates) before they have over 1 million cases.
Despite "most people just have the sniffles", no country has the health infrastructure to deal with those who do need help. That's why this shit is scary.
Fomites
The Prime Minister will chair an emergency Cobra meeting later to decide whether to bring in measures to delay the spread of coronavirus in the UK.
On Sunday, the number of confirmed cases in the UK rose to 278, from 209 on Saturday - the biggest rise so far.
The government has previously said such action could include banning of sporting and other events where large numbers of people gather, and encouraging people to work from home rather than use crowded trains and buses.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51796072
The Prime Minister will chair an emergency Cobra meeting later to decide whether to bring in measures to delay the spread of coronavirus in the UK.
On Sunday, the number of confirmed cases in the UK rose to 278, from 209 on Saturday - the biggest rise so far.
The government has previously said such action could include banning of sporting and other events where large numbers of people gather, and encouraging people to work from home rather than use crowded trains and buses.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51796072
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,327
Without wishing to score points in any shape or form, bollocksy or otherwise, [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION], what I genuinely don't get is the mixed messages. On the one hand, we're encouraged by the media to believe that northern Italy has become some form of deadly plague pit. On the the other hand, Easyjet are quite happily running half a dozen flights a day - in both directions - between Gatwick and Milan. What gives?
OzMike
Well-known member
Will be flying to the UK on 7th April, if plane half empty I will ask for an upgrade.
It's bizarre ... I can't fathom why Northern Italy wasn't 'locked down' 2/3 weeks ago. Didn't need a genius to see what was going to happen and as you say it's not even locked down now
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 18,201
I am flying on the 30th March, I hadn't thought about the upgrade option. I will definitely be asking.
Are you getting to a game?
Coronavirus / Covid-19
Italy in ‘lockdown’.....
“The Foreign Office responded to the Italian announcement by advising against all but essential travel to areas affected, including Milan and Venice. However, there were no restrictions on Britons or Italians returning from the country.
The edict led to widespread confusion and signs of international tension, with a government source questioning why people had been banned from moving within Italy but allowed to flee to other countries.
Dozens of flights from locked-down areas arrived in Britain yesterday, with 17 leaving Milan Malpensa airport alone.
On arrival, passengers were not put into quarantine or tested for the virus, leading to fears they could now be spreading the disease in the UK”
......and a view from the Doc that writes in the Telegraph
“The coronavirus is not to be sneezed at. Still, the experts’ recent alarmist predictions that several million (one in five of the working population) could be infected is likely, on past form, to be a tad exaggerated. But by how much?
In the first three weeks of January, when the outbreak in China was at it most virulent, 62 confirmed cases were admitted to seven hospitals in Zhejiang province. They all had a mix of flu-like symptoms (fever, cough, headaches and malaise) while in addition a CAT scan confirmed that the virus had also spread to the lungs to cause pneumonia.
For only one patient, however, was this severe enough to require treatment in intensive care. All survived. This case series, reported in the British Medical Journal, would seem fairly typical of the pattern of the outbreak outside the main centre in Wuhan.
Out of a population of 54 million (similar to that of the UK), there was just one fatality in 1,213 cases
The population of Zhejiang province is 54 million (roughly equivalent to that of the UK) where, as of last week, there had been a grand total of 1,213 cases in the past three months with just one fatality.
There is no reason why the experience in Britain should be much different so, rather than the millions of cases predicted by the experts, a more realistic estimate might be a readily manageable couple of thousand.
To be sure, it is only prudent to take the necessary steps to limit the spread of this rather nasty variant of seasonal flu, albeit with a similar mortality rate. But when in a few weeks the threat has receded, those headline-grabbing initiatives of recruiting thousands of retired nurses and doctors and closing down Parliament will seem unnecessarily overdramatic”
Italy in ‘lockdown’.....
“The Foreign Office responded to the Italian announcement by advising against all but essential travel to areas affected, including Milan and Venice. However, there were no restrictions on Britons or Italians returning from the country.
The edict led to widespread confusion and signs of international tension, with a government source questioning why people had been banned from moving within Italy but allowed to flee to other countries.
Dozens of flights from locked-down areas arrived in Britain yesterday, with 17 leaving Milan Malpensa airport alone.
On arrival, passengers were not put into quarantine or tested for the virus, leading to fears they could now be spreading the disease in the UK”
......and a view from the Doc that writes in the Telegraph
“The coronavirus is not to be sneezed at. Still, the experts’ recent alarmist predictions that several million (one in five of the working population) could be infected is likely, on past form, to be a tad exaggerated. But by how much?
In the first three weeks of January, when the outbreak in China was at it most virulent, 62 confirmed cases were admitted to seven hospitals in Zhejiang province. They all had a mix of flu-like symptoms (fever, cough, headaches and malaise) while in addition a CAT scan confirmed that the virus had also spread to the lungs to cause pneumonia.
For only one patient, however, was this severe enough to require treatment in intensive care. All survived. This case series, reported in the British Medical Journal, would seem fairly typical of the pattern of the outbreak outside the main centre in Wuhan.
Out of a population of 54 million (similar to that of the UK), there was just one fatality in 1,213 cases
The population of Zhejiang province is 54 million (roughly equivalent to that of the UK) where, as of last week, there had been a grand total of 1,213 cases in the past three months with just one fatality.
There is no reason why the experience in Britain should be much different so, rather than the millions of cases predicted by the experts, a more realistic estimate might be a readily manageable couple of thousand.
To be sure, it is only prudent to take the necessary steps to limit the spread of this rather nasty variant of seasonal flu, albeit with a similar mortality rate. But when in a few weeks the threat has receded, those headline-grabbing initiatives of recruiting thousands of retired nurses and doctors and closing down Parliament will seem unnecessarily overdramatic”
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Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
- 2,892
It’s not the oldies stripping the shelves.
It’s the selfish
Think we should shoot people buying more than one pack of toilet rolls?
No different to looting really
So someone who broke a quarantine to sit in an aeroplane full of people is amazed at THE GOVERNMENT? Wow.
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Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
only the second daftest story on Italian quarantine (thats not a quarantine). someone on radio was complaining there were no checks when they returned from Italy, via a flight from Innsbruk.
sort of demonstrates how short of actually stopping all border crossing, all flights, we cant "lock down" Europe. even today the advice is merely to avoid non-essential travel, everyone has a different veiw on essential in this age.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Try Newhaven or Seaford. We did our shopping on Friday evening and loo rolls available in Lidls & Morrison’s. I didn’t buy any because we have over half left from an 18 pack I bought 2 weeks ago.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Looting and profiteering. Selling hand sanitisers on EBay.