Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[nicko31]

We can but hope mate...both of our clubs

That said a relegation battle clears the head.

Well I'm not hoping, if the PL season its cancelled we will have bigger things to worry about.

Incidentally I do thing it will be Norwich, Villa and one of us

 

[peterward]

We can but hope mate...both of our clubs

That said a relegation battle clears the head.

They won't cancel with 10 games left and the TV money it generates. Closed doors maybe but cancel I doubt

 

[Triggaaar]

To get things in perspective, if 80,000 in China have tested positive, and 3000 have died, out of a population of 1,600,000,000 that represents 0.005% of the population.

Riiiight, but that would mean that no one else in China contracts the virus, and of those who already have it, no more die. Sadly not a very realistic outcome.

 

[Triggaaar]

Statistically Coronavirus is no more deadly than flu.

Well that's nonsense.

it should be reacted to as just another strain of flu.

Which would be a very poor way of trying to combat the virus.

Is there need for mass panic - no.
Should we just pretend there's nothing at all to worry about - no.

 

[dingodan]

I'm not sure that another economic recession would help things...

It might not be a choice between virus or recession.

It might just be a choice between recession with or without the virus.

 

[beorhthelm]

I share your sentiment, reality is a few airlines and travel companies would go to the wall.

And besides..... (for the Brexit thread) we have no ability to close our border to EU citizens until after the transition. Unless the EU acts to ban movement from say Italy (and it can't because all 27 would need to agree Inc the Italians who'd surely object), then there is nothing we could do unless in total defiance of EU law to stop EU passport holders from Italy, coming as much as they want. China and Iran we could, but EU we can't until Jan 1 2021.

I wonder if the 2nd referendum/confirmation ballot had managed to get there way and had set a second referendum date for this spring (as they hoped last October) if this unseen event could've tipped the scales again (obviously not on remain NSC) but nationally??

freedom of movement can be restricted for purpose of public health.

 

[CorgiRegisteredFriend]

Could season 2019/20 end up not being completed?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...rpool-would-crowned-premier-league-champions/

Seem more likely by the day....

Bought my Norwich train tickets earlier without a thought this might happen.

 

[Poojah]

It might not be a choice between virus or recession.

It might just be a choice between recession with or without the virus.

This, I fear, is the grim reality. You could at this stage, in theory, pretty much snuff out the virus in the UK by closing our borders entirely, restricting intercity travel, closing schools and businesses, cancelling events and so on. But how long would you realistically have to do that if the rest of the world didn’t follow. The economic repercussions would be catastrophic, and you’d run the risk of causing deaths indirectly through the hardships caused.

Alternatively, you carry on as a country. The old British stiff upper lip. Naturally, that will mean more deaths, and in time society may well take it upon themselves to restrict their movements in the way described above and we’ll end up with a severe recession anyway.

I’m not going to draw comparison with the common flu - they are clearly different beasts. Instead, I see similarities between the situation we are facing and the Second World War. Over 70,000 civilian lives were lost on these shores alone (not accounting for the massive military casualties) but people got on with their lives in the face of death and destruction. My grandparents and their peers were pragmatic. They knew that for the country to win the war, it could not fail economically.

We may not be able to run from this. There will be no safe houses for our children in the countryside. Take precautions, absolutely. But we must accept that we may have to take personal risks in carrying on with our lives for the greater long-term benefit of the nation as a whole, just as our grandparents did. If we can do that, most of us will inevitably be ok, even though the loss of human life may still be severe.

If we get caught in two minds however, I can see both a significant death toll in the short-term coupled with long-term economic devastation.

We mustn’t allow that to happen.

 

[goldstone]

Not sure all of these facts are 100% accurate, but you get the gist …. don't effing panic. Grow up.

If you are under 50 years of age, and not living in China, you are more likely to win the lottery than get the coronavirus..... which is a 1 in 45,000,000 chance!
NOW, Let’s take one of the worst days so far – the 10th of February. While we were enjoying our day, 108 persons in CHINA died of Coronavirus.
BUT, on the same day
26,283 people died of Cancer
24,641 people died of Heart Disease
4,300 people died of Diabetes
and on that day, Suicide, unfortunately, took more lives than the virus did, by 28 times.
Moreover, Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day, HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day and Snakes kill 137 people every day.
Hygiene my friends and always have some perspective

 

[Notters]

Not sure all of these facts are 100% accurate, but you get the gist …. don't effing panic. Grow up.

If you are under 50 years of age, and not living in China, you are more likely to win the lottery than get the coronavirus..... which is a 1 in 45,000,000 chance!
NOW, Let’s take one of the worst days so far – the 10th of February. While we were enjoying our day, 108 persons in CHINA died of Coronavirus.
BUT, on the same day
26,283 people died of Cancer
24,641 people died of Heart Disease
4,300 people died of Diabetes
and on that day, Suicide, unfortunately, took more lives than the virus did, by 28 times.
Moreover, Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day, HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day and Snakes kill 137 people every day.
Hygiene my friends and always have some perspective

I just don't understand these stats. It's an emerging virus prevalent in a few locations. How can that compare to things that are possible anywhere at this present time. As the virus will likely become.

 

[McTavish]

If you are under 50 years of age, and not living in China, you are more likely to win the lottery than get the coronavirus..... which is a 1 in 45,000,000 chance!

Well that is clearly nonsense. 36 people in the UK have already caught the coronavirus which, even of no-one else catches it (which seems unlikely) is already a 1 in 2,000,000 result.

 

[Surport Local Team]

Not sure all of these facts are 100% accurate, but you get the gist …. don't effing panic. Grow up.

If you are under 50 years of age, and not living in China, you are more likely to win the lottery than get the coronavirus..... which is a 1 in 45,000,000 chance!
NOW, Let’s take one of the worst days so far – the 10th of February. While we were enjoying our day, 108 persons in CHINA died of Coronavirus.
BUT, on the same day
26,283 people died of Cancer
24,641 people died of Heart Disease
4,300 people died of Diabetes
and on that day, Suicide, unfortunately, took more lives than the virus did, by 28 times.
Moreover, Mosquitoes kill 2,740 people every day, HUMANS kill 1,300 fellow humans every day and Snakes kill 137 people every day.
Hygiene my friends and always have some perspective

Stop being rational!! We r DOOMED!!

 

[peterward]

This, I fear, is the grim reality. You could at this stage, in theory, pretty much snuff out the virus in the UK by closing our borders entirely, restricting intercity travel, closing schools and businesses, cancelling events and so on. But how long would you realistically have to do that if the rest of the world didn’t follow. The economic repercussions would be catastrophic, and you’d run the risk of causing deaths indirectly through the hardships caused.

Alternatively, you carry on as a country. The old British stiff upper lip. Naturally, that will mean more deaths, and in time society may well take it upon themselves to restrict their movements in the way described above and we’ll end up with a severe recession anyway.

I’m not going to draw comparison with the common flu - they are clearly different beasts. Instead, I see similarities between the situation we are facing and the Second World War. Over 70,000 civilian lives were lost on these shores alone (not accounting for the massive military casualties) but people got on with their lives in the face of death and destruction. My grandparents and their peers were pragmatic. They knew that for the country to win the war, it could not fail economically.

We may not be able to run from this. There will be no safe houses for our children in the countryside. Take precautions, absolutely. But we must accept that we may have to take personal risks in carrying on with our lives for the greater long-term benefit of the nation as a whole, just as our grandparents did. If we can do that, most of us will inevitably be ok, even though the loss of human life may still be severe.

If we get caught in two minds however, I can see both a significant death toll in the short-term coupled with long-term economic devastation.

We mustn’t allow that to happen.

I guess that's the bigger picture, but to be brutally honest (and this possibly is same for many people), immediate priority is myself, Mrs PW and the little'uns...... money comes and goes, lived through UK and global boom and bust a few times, will just try and focus on our little unit getting through it (if it kicks off) and whatever happens outside that economically .... Cest La Vie

 

[goldstone]

You people just love something to worry about. Stop it. IT'S ONLY FLU.

 

[beorhthelm]

I just don't understand these stats. It's an emerging virus prevalent in a few locations. How can that compare to things that are possible anywhere at this present time. As the virus will likely become.

because that is what the fear is based upon. a small sample has this rate of fatality, gets applied to wider population. meanwhile in the wider population all these other cause of death exist. it is underplaying it somewhat, though giving some perspective.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Riiiight, but that would mean that no one else in China contracts the virus, and of those who already have it, no more die. Sadly not a very realistic outcome.

Just current statistics. The infection rate in China is now reducing

 

[peterward]

You people just love something to worry about. Stop it. IT'S ONLY FLU.

10x more deadly than regular flu which has a mortality rate of 0.1%.

Scaling that up and the average flu deaths per year of approx 650k that's about 6.5 million. Or in the UK in a really bad year we're about 13k with regular flu, so that would be about 130k still statistically not bad with a global population of 7 billion and UK population of 70 million.
But they are still big numbers and say nothing of the thousands who also don't die but do affect business, supply chains, hospitals and government spending.

 

[peterward]

Just current statistics. The infection rate in China is now reducing

Could follow the very effective North Korean covid19 prevention plan.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/north-koreas-first-confirmed-coronavirus-covid-19-patient-shot-dead-report-40042

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Well that's nonsense.
Which would be a very poor way of trying to combat the virus.

Is there need for mass panic - no.
Should we just pretend there's nothing at all to worry about - no.

So Public Health England stating that 17,000 is the average yearly mortality rate in England, for flu, since 2014 is nonsense, is it?

 

[DumLum]

Just current statistics. The infection rate in China is now reducing

The west is not China. We are more liberal and the people that live here probably feel more entitled. This will make the infection rate harder to control.