Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Good to see SAGE seizing the initiative re further measures from our crappy hmgov via leaked minutes

 

[LamieRobertson]

I assume with any ridiculous lockdown, all pubs, clubs and restaurants will be compensated by the government?

And cabbies who would normally earn well on New Years Eve.

Supply chains etc the ripples go far

 

[dazzer6666]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/17/may-not-realise-lockdown-sceptics-have-won-omicron-war/

 

[Bodian]

Is 7 days the same as 2 weeks now then. A booster offers protection after 7 days according to the person who delivered mine??

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informations...and-your-health/covid-booster-vaccine#howlong

A link to information that suggests what I was informed of is correct

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...gainst-symptomatic-covid-19-in-adults-over-50

I’ve not seen 7 days anywhere. Maybe the person that is simply trained to administer jabs has done their own research?

From browsing around, it seems to be 'one to two weeks'. Similar probably to the first time around - you start building antibodies, but full effectiveness takes two weeks. So, after one week, the protection will be much greater than after one day. With the Pfizer guidance given to me at my booster appointment (the government guidance) it said 'Protection against COVID-19 disease may not be maximally effective until at least 7 days after the second dose.' -so, don't see why it would be longer for the third.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

 

[Poojah]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/17/may-not-realise-lockdown-sceptics-have-won-omicron-war/

“In other words, unless the Government announces a lockdown before Christmas (which is highly unlikely), this will be the first wave to hit us unmitigated by compulsory orders to stay at home. They might not realise it, but the lockdown sceptics have won.”

But the first wave mitigated by vaccines and boosters, no? Isn’t that why people are sceptical? If it wasn’t, I’m sure there’d be far less scepticism.

 

[e77]

“In other words, unless the Government announces a lockdown before Christmas (which is highly unlikely), this will be the first wave to hit us unmitigated by compulsory orders to stay at home. They might not realise it, but the lockdown sceptics have won.”

But the first wave mitigated by vaccines and boosters, no? Isn’t that why people are sceptical? If it wasn’t, I’m sure there’d be far less scepticism.

Can't read that as it is behind a paywall but if we avoid a lockdown it is a victory for the vaccine programme.

 

[Poojah]

Can't read that as it is behind a paywall but if we avoid a lockdown it is a victory for the vaccine programme.

Someone on here posted this helpful link for paywalls the other day, very handy…

https://12ft.io

 

[Solid at the back]

From browsing around, it seems to be 'one to two weeks'. Similar probably to the first time around - you start building antibodies, but full effectiveness takes two weeks. So, after one week, the protection will be much greater than after one day. With the Pfizer guidance given to me at my booster appointment (the government guidance) it said 'Protection against COVID-19 disease may not be maximally effective until at least 7 days after the second dose.' -so, don't see why it would be longer for the third.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

I've just seen this

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.a...-booster-omicron-vaccine-latest-b1977582.html

So I guess, who knows?

 

[atomised]

I've just seen this

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.a...-booster-omicron-vaccine-latest-b1977582.html

So I guess, who knows?

It definitely makes sense to me that it wouldn't take 2.weeks to take effect as by its very nature its to boost what's already there.

 

[dazzer6666]

Positive cases (on date reported) actually down a bit on yesterday @ 90.4k, but we often see slightly lower figures reported on Sat/Sun. Very high test numbers continue. Cases by specimen date much lower for 16th than the previous 4 days (66k).

 

[Randy McNob]

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[Driver8]

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Is it wrong to wish a serious bout of Covid on someone?

 

[Notters]

Really not liking the sound of this circuit breaker.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1472264771143622660?s=20

Model and Fraser nelson Twitter exchange - only arsed to model bad scenarios.

 

[Notters]

What happens if (as many people do) you go to stay with relatives at Christmas, are you forced to come back even though you're already there? Why are there still events with 10s of thousands of people going on now?

 

[Notters]

Few friends round for a party at home then NYE rather than the pub.

That’ll save a few quid.

That's the household mixing aspect.

 

[worthingseagull123]

That's the household mixing aspect.

As long as people are discreet, it cannot be enforced.

 

[Is it PotG?]

As long as people are discreet, it cannot be enforced.

I think the loophole aspect kind of misses the point of the restrictions.

 

[macbeth]

meanwhile SAGE modellers are basically admitting that they are asked to create intentionally gloomy models in order to back up whatever the government has already decided to do

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[Notters]

As long as people are discreet, it cannot be enforced.

Tricky for us (again) to be discreet with a 330 mile drive and therefore boils my blood to see people taking the piss.