Austria imposes lockdown for all of its 'natural immunity' believers.
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Ahh, thanks for that.
I foolishly thought that our high levels of immunity might have been connected to high levels of take up of the vaccine, unlike Austria, where it is 65%.
I tend to agree that we won’t ban moronic anti vaxxers like Mustafa from venues. Not because we shouldn’t but because Boris Johnson usually ignores medical wisdom and does not like imposing rules, even when required.
That’s just plain wrong. Probably the daftest thing you’ve said so far. And there’s plenty to choose from.
Mainland Europe has had huge levels of exposure over many, many months. It’s because of high vaccine uptake. Something which you cannot claim credit for. Other people did the work for you.
Weststander
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[MENTION=7]Mustafa[/MENTION] & [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] are both correct.
The relatively high vaccine uptake in the UK was the initial game changer.
Then a higher exposure to the virus in a widespread opening up from July onwards, especially amongst kids to thirties, created natural immunity in many millions of other folk.
The relatively high vaccine uptake in the UK was the initial game changer.
Then a higher exposure to the virus in a widespread opening up from July onwards, especially amongst kids to thirties, created natural immunity in many millions of other folk.
Well, at first glance that’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation but the fact is we opened up because
we had a great vaccine take up. That’s why so many people were immune.
We were immune so we opened up. Not the other way round.
Weststander
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A virtuous circle?
Weststander
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This isn’t an binary issue. El Pres and you are both correct.
It may or may not have been by design (overtly by design would’ve been slammed as evil ‘Herd Immunity’), but what you’re describing really did happen in the UK over these last few months.
You have misread the situation. This seems to be something you do.
A population will of course build immunity with exposure. That immunity works far better when supported by vaccination. Our brilliant vaccination program was the reason we opened up in July and did not go back into Lockdown as we did before the vaccination was available.
Nobody who has swerved the vaccine can know if they have immunity and how long they will have it for. Or how many vulnerable people they will expose to Covid while they gad about thinking they have super-immunity. The NHS wards are mainly full of people with that exact attitude, right now. Putting NHS staff at risk.
What were these people doing while the vaccine was being rolled out? Just hanging back, waiting to see if they could get away with dodging it? What were they doing before they thought they had immunity?
The ones who decided they didn't need the vaccine have benefitted hugely from those that had it and they owe a heartfelt debt of gratitude. There are always those who are willing to sit back and let others do the work. Luckily they are in the minority, otherwise there wouldn't be the widespread immunity that they enjoy now.
Nobody who has swerved the vaccine can know if they have immunity and how long they will have it for. Or how many vulnerable people they will expose to Covid while they gad about thinking they have super-immunity. The NHS wards are mainly full of people with that exact attitude, right now. Putting NHS staff at risk.
What were these people doing while the vaccine was being rolled out? Just hanging back, waiting to see if they could get away with dodging it? What were they doing before they thought they had immunity?
The ones who decided they didn't need the vaccine have benefitted hugely from those that had it and they owe a heartfelt debt of gratitude. There are always those who are willing to sit back and let others do the work. Luckily they are in the minority, otherwise there wouldn't be the widespread immunity that they enjoy now.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Have you thought about a role at the UN
Weststander
Well-known member
Have you thought about a role at the UN
I think I’ve morphed into a mediator.
@Clamp and [MENTION=7]Mustafa[/MENTION] both seem decent guys, both relieved that further UK lockdowns aren’t seemingly on their way ….. it seemed an unnecessarily grumpy scuffle.
Spot on mate.
crodonilson
He/Him
Avoiding Christmas lockdowns is in our hands says Dowden
Lets hope the public can do the right thing but I won't hold my breath.
Lets hope the public can do the right thing but I won't hold my breath.
PCR results back. Bozza jnr is positive, as expected, Mrs B is negative but I am also positive.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Hoping you both get better soon
surrey jim
Not in Surrey
Hoping you and Jnr only have a mild case. Passing on best for a speedy recovery
Best wishes, mate.
Listening to the radio, there are increasing issues in the NHS, with delays in treatment (and diagnosis) reflected in the increase in excess covid-unrelated deaths (see below). Boris has been told, hence his cautious press statement last week (that went largely unnoticed). New case levels seem stable, and hospitalizations stable, and the latter much lower than in last winter's peak, BUT there is no sign that hospitalizations are falling, and we seem to have reached a steady level, and this steady level is incompatible with the long term effectiveness of the NHS.
We as a nation seem prepared to put up with a number of ill people dying avoidably, and the odd horror story of acutely ill people not getting swift ambulance attention, in return for 'freedom' to not wear a mask, freedom to mingle and freedom to go about our lives 'normally'. This is not how I would go about things yet I have optimism. My optimism comes from the tendency in biology for successive mutants to be more easily spreadable but less lethal (killing the host does not favour survival of the infection). However, if the next mutant is nasty and spreads quickly this will tip the balance toward restrictions again. Feeling lucky, people?
Lastly, the smug unvaccinated should take note that the massive increase in cases in Germany and Holland and other nations right now is due to fewer people receiving the vaccine (than in the UK). Every individual vaccinated reduces the risk of a nationwide spike in cases. There is no rational or credible reason to not be vaccinated.
And although we don't yet have a new covid spike, the current plateau would be lower, and the NHS less pressured, if more people took their vaccine when it is/was offered.
We as a nation seem prepared to put up with a number of ill people dying avoidably, and the odd horror story of acutely ill people not getting swift ambulance attention, in return for 'freedom' to not wear a mask, freedom to mingle and freedom to go about our lives 'normally'. This is not how I would go about things yet I have optimism. My optimism comes from the tendency in biology for successive mutants to be more easily spreadable but less lethal (killing the host does not favour survival of the infection). However, if the next mutant is nasty and spreads quickly this will tip the balance toward restrictions again. Feeling lucky, people?
Lastly, the smug unvaccinated should take note that the massive increase in cases in Germany and Holland and other nations right now is due to fewer people receiving the vaccine (than in the UK). Every individual vaccinated reduces the risk of a nationwide spike in cases. There is no rational or credible reason to not be vaccinated.
And although we don't yet have a new covid spike, the current plateau would be lower, and the NHS less pressured, if more people took their vaccine when it is/was offered.