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Seems like Germany should have been testing more.
Weststander
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In March 2020, on testing, Germany led the western hemisphere with 132 private labs already in existence, geared up for other reasons, with the capacity to carry out 117,000 tests per day. They’re associated with universities and the huge Swiss pharma Roche. The Germans launched a track n trace app on 16 July 2020, admired from afar.
All went swimmingly, the envy of everyone else.
Then by September 2020 Germans started turning off bluetooth or deleting the app. For all the concerns later experienced in France and the UK, for example privacy.
By October 2020 there was an exponential rise in cases, then deaths.
Questions:
1. I wonder if European folk outside of Norway, Denmark and Finland, (& Yanks), simply loath perceived state control, being monitored, they treasure their independence? Unlike compliant South Korea and Taiwan for example.
2. Is it incredibly hard to track n trace in nations with a huge population?
Without mass testing it’s going to be hard to have a successful track and trace, unless you are spot checking randomly at great numbers you won’t put up the numbers you need for it to work.
Out of all the tests they do 12 percent are positive, which indicates a massive problem - how many more are not testing and triggering a track and trace response?
Germany, Belgium, Holland and a few others are rocketing up just before the flu season really starts, I imagine we will see more restrictions in some of those countries.
Weststander
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I was thinking the same. I looked into Munich flights - low prices are tempting. Then they could suddenly announce a ton of restrictions.
Last mid-December Merkel did exactly that, including a load of arm twisting on Austria and non-EU Switzerland making them follow suit.
I don’t think anyone will shut the borders as most only allow travel with vaccine/testing.
I’m not sure I fancy going anywhere that has restrictions though, as what else do they do? They already have mandatory masks and Passports I believe?
Isn’t the higher positivity due mostly to testing only being performed when someone has symptoms?
Weststander
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The German authorities decided to scrap rapid free testing, as a means to cajole the 1/3 of the entitled population who are refusing a vaccine into getting it done.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-europe-health-pandemics-germany-9774ff30b7d22f235fe6086d04e56a52
As with anywhere, have the vaccine refuseniks listened?
beorhthelm
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and maybe also to avoid hemorrhaging billions on them.
Yes but the question was about the % of positive tests…..they have more positive tests proportionately because they are doing much less testing, and focusing this on people with symptoms. Their infection rate per 100k is still less than ours (but not for much longer it seems)
Weststander
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I thought I was agreeing with you and that?
Going on to explain their reason for cutting out the widespread free testing (which would previously, inherently yield that lower positive rate).
How many are being missed through ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ions-of-unvaccinated-people-in-covid-lockdown
First European lockdown incoming - for unvaccinated
First European lockdown incoming - for unvaccinated
Loads I would think given the number of asymptomatic cases
crodonilson
He/Him
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/12/partial-lockdown-in-netherlands-amid-record-covid-cases
Lockdowns making a return across Europe beginning with Netherlands. Sporting events back behind closed doors.
Lockdowns making a return across Europe beginning with Netherlands. Sporting events back behind closed doors.
Weststander
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These 6 countries have metrics uncannily like those of Sept/Oct 2020, numbers really taking off.
Whilst France, UK, Italy, Spain and Germany just aren’t seeing this at all.
Have the populations in the former category abandoned any sense of care?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
At least one of us looks set to join the positive case numbers in the next few days...
This morning we had notification that one of Bozza jnr's classmates has tested positive. He was out at a Scout's Remembrance service at the time, so we LFTed him as soon as we'd picked him up and got him home. The test showed positive almost immediately, so we assume it's a very strong result. He is showing no symptoms currently.
So, PCRs have been booked for the three of us at the Worthing walk-through test site for tomorrow morning.
All a bit annoying as Mrs Bozza and Bozza jnr were going to be heading straight out to a theatre show this afternoon, and we were going to spend the evening with good friends, one of whom lost their father this week.
I also lost an uncle a week ago, meaning if I test positive, I may not be able to attend the upcoming funeral.
This morning we had notification that one of Bozza jnr's classmates has tested positive. He was out at a Scout's Remembrance service at the time, so we LFTed him as soon as we'd picked him up and got him home. The test showed positive almost immediately, so we assume it's a very strong result. He is showing no symptoms currently.
So, PCRs have been booked for the three of us at the Worthing walk-through test site for tomorrow morning.
All a bit annoying as Mrs Bozza and Bozza jnr were going to be heading straight out to a theatre show this afternoon, and we were going to spend the evening with good friends, one of whom lost their father this week.
I also lost an uncle a week ago, meaning if I test positive, I may not be able to attend the upcoming funeral.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Ouch …particularly that last bit..hoping you all stay well
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