Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Weststander]

Bit of a bummer for any Hungarian who has had either of these vaccines

Thinking about it more I assume the reason they still have bad numbers despite the sputnik vaccine is that younger "officials" have jumped to the front of the queue for it ?

A mate's wife is Hungarian, I'm seeing them soon and will ask.

One theory I've heard from epidemiologists and BBC correspondents is that the natives of countries that did very well the first time such as Hungary, Czech Repubic, Germany, Slovakia and Poland, were overconfident when waves 2, 3 and 4 came. Ignoring their governments lockdowns one way of another behind the scenes.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The EU's planned list of approved vaccines for their community wide Vaccine Passport, will exclude all Russian and Chinese vaccines.

I’m interested to see how this goes given the potential issues with the Oxford jab

Will someone having those jabs be banned from unjabbed stuff?

 

[Weststander]

I’m interested to see how this goes given the potential issues with the Oxford jab

Will someone having those jabs be banned from unjabbed stuff?

According to the EU vis-à-vis their planned Vaccine Passports for travel, in effect they'll be treated as unvaccinated.

I don't know if any European nations are planning formal internal restrictions for the unvaccinated?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It works both ways, if people start doubting what is being said people go off message when claims turn out to be so horribly wrong.

All I’m saying is where is the questioning on how they got to that conclusion so quickly and why did the papers decide to just run with it causing more panic and doubt over the vaccine.
It was a peer-reviewed study carried out on over 50,000 subjects published 5.5 months after the study started. That's hardly jumping to conclusions, and it has not been proved horribly wrong.

[MENTION=643]nwgull[/MENTION]

So let’s go for the lesser reported 30-70 percent more deadly - it’s now shown as it isn’t

What would you call that other than horribly wrong? It’s not even close.

 

[nwgull]

It works both ways, if people start doubting what is being said people go off message when claims turn out to be so horribly wrong.

All I’m saying is where is the questioning on how they got to that conclusion so quickly and why did the papers decide to just run with it causing more panic and doubt over the vaccine.
It was a peer-reviewed study carried out on over 50,000 subjects published 5.5 months after the study started. That's hardly jumping to conclusions, and it has not been proved horribly wrong.

[MENTION=643]nwgull[/MENTION]

So let’s go for the lesser reported 30-70 percent more deadly - it’s now shown as it isn’t

What would you call that other than horribly wrong? It’s not even close.

Show me a peer-reviewed study that shows that the fatality rate of the Kent variant is not greater than the previous variants.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Show me a peer-reviewed study that shows that the fatality rate of the Kent variant is not greater than the previous variants.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3802578

 

[nwgull]

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3802578

There is literally a watermark and footnote on every page of that report that says it hasn't been peer reviewed.

It's also a study of only 5,642 cases, as opposed to the study that you claim it disproves that was done on over 50,000 cases (and has been peer reviewed and published by the BMJ).

 

[atomised]

According to the EU vis-à-vis their planned Vaccine Passports for travel, in effect they'll be treated as unvaccinated.

I don't know if any European nations are planning formal internal restrictions for the unvaccinated?

So EU have said those with AZ vaccine in any vaccine passport system will be treated as unvaccinated? Sorry if I've misread your post

 

[beorhthelm]

There is literally a watermark and footnote on every page of that report that says it hasn't been peer reviewed.

It's also a study of only 5,642 cases, as opposed to the study that you claim it disproves that was done on over 50,000 cases (and has been peer reviewed and published by the BMJ).

which study are you refering to?

 

[nwgull]

which study are you refering to?

Two studies relating to the B117 variant, both of which studied subjects over a similar time. One study, which was carried out on 54,000 people that tested positive for the B117 variant, found that catching this variant was somewhere around 64% more likely to be fatal. The other study suggests that the B117 variant is not more likely to be fatal (although is about 35% more likely to result in hospalisation). The latter study was however only done on just over 5,600 subjects and is yet to be peer reviewed.

 

[Weststander]

So EU have said those with AZ vaccine in any vaccine passport system will be treated as unvaccinated? Sorry if I've misread your post

No, just the Russian and Chinese vaccines ... will be excluded.

 

[dazzer6666]

I heard a while back on some radio show or other that the vaccine seems to help people with long covid. Something about it causing residual pockets of the virus to be mopped up by the immune system. Obviously of course it doesn't reverse any actual damage to the body.

Yep...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...may-help-long-covid-sufferers-patient-groups/

 

[Weststander]

Macron this evening has announced a full nationwide lockdown from 5 April.

Allowing travel and meeting up over the long Easter weekend first.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/macron-to-unveil-tough-measures-as-covid-cases-surge-in-france

On a positive, over 300,000 vaccines now been administered daily.

 

[nicko31]

Macron this evening has announced a full nationwide lockdown from 5 April.

Allowing travel and meeting up over the long Easter weekend first.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/macron-to-unveil-tough-measures-as-covid-cases-surge-in-france

On a positive, over 300,000 vaccines now been administered daily.

Should have done it a month ago really, but waited for it to coincide with a Easter school holidays

7 day rate running at 38k, but deaths are slightly declined in March which is a bit surprising.

 

[Weststander]

Should have done it a month ago really, but waited for it to coincide with a Easter school holidays

7 day rate running at 38k, but deaths are slightly declined in March which is a bit surprising.

I noticed that he avoided Angela Merkel's PR 'mistake' by allowing socialising at Easter.

A lone voice here, imho Merkel was epidemiologically correct, but politics took over with the German people revolted.

The BBC last night had an interesting 15 minute piece about the chaos in France. Speaking to French journalists (not a UK Gammon in sight), they said Macron's huge mistakes this calendar year of overriding the science, echoed Johnson's blunder in October.

 

[nicko31]

I noticed that he avoided Angela Merkel's PR 'mistake' by allowing socialising at Easter.

A lone voice here, imho Merkel was epidemiologically correct, but politics took over with the German people revolted.

The BBC last night had an interesting 15 minute piece about the chaos in France. Speaking to French journalists (not a UK Gammon in sight), they said Macron's huge mistakes this calendar year of overriding the science, echoed Johnson's blunder in October.

I guess Macron has 2 things on his side versus Johnson's blunder in October, we're heading into the warm season and the vaccine rollout which is finally gathering pace. France has had no full lockdown over the winter and seemed manage OK keeping schools open throughout, it will be interesting to see whether a 4 week lockdown is enough. I can see them being in lockdown until at least early June, we know how long its taken to get our numbers down

 

[Weststander]

I guess Macron has 2 things on his side versus Johnson's blunder in October, we're heading into the warm season and the vaccine rollout which is finally gathering pace. France has had no full lockdown over the winter and seemed manage OK keeping schools open throughout, it will be interesting to see whether a 4 week lockdown is enough. I can see them being in lockdown until at least early June, we know how long its taken to get our numbers down

Macron was mocked last night by his compatriots for saying:

“We have won precious days of freedom, weeks of education for our children, without ever losing control of the epidemic. I think it was the right thing to do."

As daily rolling average cases went from 10,000 to 38,000.

Boringly for us all, whatever the nation, lockdowns pre-vax were the only effective tool.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I guess Macron has 2 things on his side versus Johnson's blunder in October, we're heading into the warm season and the vaccine rollout which is finally gathering pace. France has had no full lockdown over the winter and seemed manage OK keeping schools open throughout, it will be interesting to see whether a 4 week lockdown is enough. I can see them being in lockdown until at least early June, we know how long its taken to get our numbers down

Haha you're hilarious. You have such a blinkered view of the world. You have to see bad in everything the Tories * do and cannot bring yourself to criticise your beloved EU.

*I am probably not going to vote Tory at the next election btw.

 

[nicko31]

Haha you're hilarious. You have such a blinkered view of the world. You have to see bad in everything the Tories * do and cannot bring yourself to criticise your beloved EU.

*I am probably not going to vote Tory at the next election btw.

This has nothing to do with EU, we were discussing France's strategy.

Thanks for sharing how you will vote in the next election but its not relevant to the discussion

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

This has nothing to do with EU, we were discussing France's strategy.

Thanks for sharing how you will vote in the next election but its not relevant to the discussion

The fact that I may or may not vote Tory has a lot to do with objectivity, so we have a different opinion on what is relevant. The discussion was about France but yet you have to get a jibe in about the UK government which in terms of the vaccine rollout has performed amazingly well. For an onlooker, your posts are heavily linked to the EU which cannot seem to attract criticism.