Megazone
On his last warning
Guinness Boys argument :
I've not noticed that in St John's Street, Bellingham Crescent or Portland Rd!
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Guinness Boys argument :
I've not noticed that in St John's Street, Bellingham Crescent or Portland Rd!
The Wizard
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- Jul 2, 2009
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Cases have risen similarly all across Europe in a similar pattern, regardless of individual countries policies and restrictions differing the pattern is the same for any country that locked down and was hit hard by a first wave
France
Spain
I think what these charts show is treatments have got significantly better and that the first wave of infections is a vast, vast underestimate of how many people were actually infected at the time. These charts show more infections in these countries now than the first peak but the reality is, it’s probably nowhere near the number of infections during the first wave due to testing capacities. It also shows that yes, there has been an increase in deaths, that much is undeniable but nowhere near the amount of people are dying as were the first wave, even accounting for the lag.
What MUST be balanced, is how much damage a second wave of national restrictions will do, I personally think it’s irreparable, the hospitality industry is about to go under and many other industries, so the OLD normal will never return even after this virus disappears/mutates or the wider community is vaccinated against it because there will be nothing left to go back too.
France
Spain
I think what these charts show is treatments have got significantly better and that the first wave of infections is a vast, vast underestimate of how many people were actually infected at the time. These charts show more infections in these countries now than the first peak but the reality is, it’s probably nowhere near the number of infections during the first wave due to testing capacities. It also shows that yes, there has been an increase in deaths, that much is undeniable but nowhere near the amount of people are dying as were the first wave, even accounting for the lag.
What MUST be balanced, is how much damage a second wave of national restrictions will do, I personally think it’s irreparable, the hospitality industry is about to go under and many other industries, so the OLD normal will never return even after this virus disappears/mutates or the wider community is vaccinated against it because there will be nothing left to go back too.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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IME social distancing in shops over the past 6-months has gradually gone from people shouting at other people for briefly going within 2 m of someone else to what seems almost typical social distancing.
I haven’t noticed less social distancing specially as a result of people wearing masks.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
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The argument isn’t that we currently at an equivalent point in time as the end of March (80/100k positive a day?), more the end of February, maybe mid-February.
Also, current infections are heavily skewed to those under 40, which wouldn’t continue.
nicko31
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Closing the pubs an hour early will have negligible effect on transmission spread but it really is going to f**k over pubs and restaurants, try getting two servings through a restaurant before 10pm. Food is where pubs make money today, so move to table service only is wise
They didn't really need help in August but boy they will need it now. Eat out to help out if you have a spare few quid
The Wizard
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I have no 'dog in the race' as I really don't like right wing governments and am not a fan of Johnson as PM at all.
However, he is right.
Whatever their shortcomings, folk cannot blame the government if they act irresponsibly and spread it.
Reminds of a girl interviewed after the Croydon riots who said 'It's the Conservatives init' as if poor governance was a worthy excuse to destroy folk's livelihoods.
Guinness Boys argument :
I've not noticed that in St John's Street, Bellingham Crescent or Portland Rd!
Thanks for speaking for me but you've completely misunderstood as usual. I'll reply to the organ grinder, as per.
I said it was a joint impact. No SD and no mask would be bad. Either one seems to reduce viral load when you look at case severity / death rate since their introductions.
Megazone
On his last warning
I haven't misunderstood. I was making the exact same point as what's been given to you. In town, it was crammed and the 2m social distancing wasn't being respected. Is it just masks we're doing now?
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This was your counter argument to that :
It's still an anecdote you've put on here without any evidence to back it up. It's also utterky irrelevant since the response to CV-19 is at a national and local level. But it doesn't go to the micro level of locking down one or two streets.
It seems likely (link below) that even in Bolton most people were following the rules. The damage was done by a super spreader ignoring them alongside a small cohort of people.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...reader-ignored-quarantine-rules-partly-blame/
Oh and you must be confused. It's me you've replied to here (as usual).
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My best guess is a combination of...
- Far better protection of the most vulnerable, particularly those in care homes. Many of the worst hit places (UK, Sweden and some areas of the US) seem to have made fundamental errors in the first wave of the virus which permitted spread into care homes taking a lot of people with it, which means:
- Yes, infections are now more slanted towards the younger demographic who, on average, will enjoy a better outcome when infected.
- Those who are higher risk, but not at the stage of being in a care home, are broadly exercising caution still, limiting their chances of getting infected.
- A far better understanding of how to treat those who get very sick, including the repurposing of existing drugs, meaning those who require hospital care stand a better chance.
Albion Dan
Banned
I was feeling pretty low yesterday as more rules and confusion were imposed on us most of which have very little real logic behind them , stats used that weren’t even based In reality showing exponential growth rates that will never happen, u turns on rules, and ridiculous mentions of using the army just to scare everyone a little more.
Today something really interesting has happened that has really lifted my spirits.
My social media is literally awash with people who have previously been silent or very pro restriction measures and are now being outwardly vocal about how they believe we are now managing this all wrong. Concerned about further removals of our rights, and saying we should manage the vulnerable but it’s time to get on with our lives. Better to face a tiny tiny risk of dying while living than spend our time not living indefinitely because of fear of something that is likely with us forever. Comments and likes to these posts are plenty where previously anyone posting this stuff was getting ignored.
People are waking up. There is hope.
Today something really interesting has happened that has really lifted my spirits.
My social media is literally awash with people who have previously been silent or very pro restriction measures and are now being outwardly vocal about how they believe we are now managing this all wrong. Concerned about further removals of our rights, and saying we should manage the vulnerable but it’s time to get on with our lives. Better to face a tiny tiny risk of dying while living than spend our time not living indefinitely because of fear of something that is likely with us forever. Comments and likes to these posts are plenty where previously anyone posting this stuff was getting ignored.
People are waking up. There is hope.
Megazone
On his last warning
Feeling very sorry for GB right now. Just when you thought things couldn't get worse for him....
sydney
tinky ****in winky
thats nice for you ....i have been banned for 30 days from facebook for sharing a meme that was detrimental to china .....it is still being posted by others.
these financially fascist governments are using this for alterier motives , people at the top are making bucket loads of money out of the public purse and "covid conditions" in my opinion its all a load of bollox.
Some people who have been immune to the effects of the lockdown are now receiving notice letters as furlough is wrapping up and some places are giving up.
I think that’s the main driving force.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
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If my experience of being a Labour Party supporter has taught me one thing it is one person's view on Social Media doesn't represent wider society.
Albion Dan
Banned
Well the free ride was always going to end at some point. I think people can now finally see what the horrific consequences of carrying on like this will be on all of us eventually. It’s been very easy for the middle classes to sit on the sidelines supporting all the restrictions without fully having the foresight that no one except the super rich are immune to the financial disaster that’s coming and the implications to the very fabric of our society and how we live forever.
The last announcement from the government scientists and politicians has demonstrated clearly there is no plan here. No strategy that will get us back to where we need to be. It’s basically let’s batton down every time we get a spike and pray a vaccine arrives at some point in the future. If this is similar to flu it will be seasonal, never be eradicated and there will never be a fully effective vaccine.