Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[RossyG]

This. Getting tiresome now. They're very persistent

If differing opinions are too much for you, use the ignore button.

 

[WilburySeagull]

Basically it seems to be a way of limiting the number of tests they have to do (at least until the testing capacity is properly ramped up). The FT last week was reporting people being refused the test if they had loss of taste/smell.

I think they could ramp up testing if they wanted to. I am in the Kings covid trial (you report symtoms or not every day) and because I have some unusual symtoms I have been offered the test. I booked the amex yesterday for today and there are plenty of spare places left. Might be different if you want a home kit though.

 

[WilburySeagull]

Apologies. I should have added they need to widen criteria for getting a test to get more done.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I honestly think the virus is fading out it seems that despite relaxation of rules the infection rate is continuing to fall despite massive testing now and it would not surprise me if what we had over last 2 months WAS our 2nd wave and many had some mutation of the virus over xmas and new year.

Not being picky for the sake of it, but I don't think we would have seen any impact of the relaxation of rules yet. If there was to be any impact I believe it will be over the next 2-3 weeks. (Fingers crossed there's no effect )

 

[Is it PotG?]

Not being picky for the sake of it......

Who'd have thought THAT?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Who'd have thought THAT?

I should imagine maybe, someone who doesn't like facts being posted to contradict the false news they posted on another entirely unrelated thread

 

[Albion Dan]

I honestly think the virus is fading out it seems that despite relaxation of rules the infection rate is continuing to fall despite massive testing now and it would not surprise me if what we had over last 2 months WAS our 2nd wave and many had some mutation of the virus over xmas and new year.

Be careful you'll be labelled a "crank" on here for saying something other than we're all doomed if we don't hide away until a vaccine appears.

 

[Albion Dan]

*wanders in*

Same three cranks wanting to do exactly as they please and screw everyone else? Check.

*shakes head*

*goes back to main board*


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Bingo. There it is again. The good old tactic of dismissing anyone who presents an alternative view as a crank/weirdo/nutter.

The strange thing is many people I discuss the situation with where I live and at work agree that life must start to go on, and that the information we are given is spun by the media, unreliable, and unhelpfully fueling fear. A far more even balance than seemingly represented on NSC. Maybe its a London vs Sussex thing. Additionally, and I say this as a politically left leaning middle class person, it certainly seems that middle class left leaning voters are the biggest advocates for peddling the lockdown strategy and regurgitating the fear porn peddled by most the media. The group that think they can probably afford most to sit at home and ride it all out.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Still people are parroting Prof Ferguson’s nonsense. He said 80,000+ would die in Sweden. Has that happened? No. Nowhere near.

How many cancer patients will die because of this lockdown? And how many old people will give up the will to live?

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Not to mention the economic devastation that’ll cause death and misery for years to come. And for what? A disease that so far has killed fewer people under 40 with no preexisting morbidities than are killed by lightning each year.

What about everyone with pre-existing conditions and/or over 40?

What is the answer to your cancer question, does it have a metric, or like my then smoker dad used to say, the tax on my fags more than pays for the treatment needed for smoking related illness (even though it gets nowhere near).

No one denies there is a cost of lockdown, but relaxing it without track and trace, with consistent mass testing, with an update to typical symptoms, then a second spike could be even worse to your own argument.

 

[Napper]

What about everyone with pre-existing conditions and/or over 40?

what are the stats for those with pre existing, we never hear about the recovories. They cant all die.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Bingo. There it is again. The good old tactic of dismissing anyone who presents an alternative view as a crank/weirdo/nutter.

The strange thing is many people I discuss the situation with where I live and at work agree that life must start to go on, and that the information we are given is spun by the media, unreliable, and unhelpfully fueling fear. A far more even balance than seemingly represented on NSC. Maybe its a London vs Sussex thing. Additionally, and I say this as a politically left leaning middle class person, it certainly seems that middle class left leaning voters are the biggest advocates for peddling the lockdown strategy and regurgitating the fear porn peddled by most the media. The group that think they can probably afford most to sit at home and ride it all out.

If the testing was truly wide spread, if we had track and trace like Germany have had for months, if we had a consistent message and approach, I’d feel a lot more confident about coming out of lockdown. Track and trace, and wide spread testing IS the fundamentally best example from the countries that have best handled this in tackling the epidemic.

By all means ease restrictions, but you got to make sure you can absolutely monitor the data, and we just don’t seem to have that in place at present, and more news that our track and trace is not ready/fit for purpose yet.

 

[Bold Seagull]

what are the stats for those with pre existing, we never hear about the recovories. They cant all die.

Not sure what that has to do with the point I was making, or are you just asking me a random statistical question?

 

[RossyG]

What about everyone with pre-existing conditions and/or over 40?

Google it although there are many stories like this that raise questions on how valid the death figures are.

What is the answer to your cancer question,

Oncologist Prof Karol Sikora believes 50,000 if the lockdown lasts until August, although we won’t know the real figures until later, of course.

No one denies there is a cost of lockdown, but relaxing it without track and trace, with consistent mass testing, with an update to typical symptoms, then a second spike could be even worse to your own argument.

It seems to be following the trend of other viruses that strike, peak, and then fizzle away with or without lockdown.

But even so, the lockdown could be more deadly than the virus.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Google it although there are many stories like this that raise questions on how valid the death figures are.

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Oncologist Prof Karol Sikora believes 50,000 if the lockdown lasts until August, although we won’t know the real figures until later, of course.



It seems to be following the trend of other viruses that strike, peak, and then fizzle away with or without lockdown.

But even so, the lockdown could be more deadly than the virus.

I don’t need to google it because my point was rhetorical, we can’t necessarily know these figures. In terms of looking at like for like death figures over an average of say the last 5 years, Covid deaths could be well in excess of the figures reported, even taking into account to ur anecdotal GP.

Anyway, you ignored the important points of my reply which I suspected you would.

 

[RossyG]

The strange thing is many people I discuss the situation with where I live and at work agree that life must start to go on, and that the information we are given is spun by the media, unreliable, and unhelpfully fueling fear. A far more even balance than seemingly represented on NSC.

There’s a lot of debate online elsewhere too. A lot of people are questioning things especially as more evidence comes to light.

Even the mainstream media are asking questions.

 

[RossyG]

Anyway, you ignored the important points of my reply which I suspected you would.

Such as?

 

[Albion Dan]

There’s a lot of debate online elsewhere too. A lot of people are questioning things especially as more evidence comes to light.

Even the mainstream media are asking questions.

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It's amazing Ferguson was even in a position to advise at all considering his quite frankly horrific record of predictions for historical diseases. He's an absolute sham.

 

[beorhthelm]

There’s a lot of debate online elsewhere too. A lot of people are questioning things especially as more evidence comes to light.

Even the mainstream media are asking questions.

and taking it too far. i speak with data scientists and read industry opinion, the feedback is his code is shit, the results vague, but the model is OK. give or take 100k. if you want to argue over 400k or 500k deaths, go ahead, its not really going to change the scale. point is we acted and have brought that down to probably nearer 50k.

you can stop posting the same un-referenced, un-verified anedote, we know the reporting is wonky, but we also know the excess deaths have spiked significantly.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There’s a lot of debate online elsewhere too. A lot of people are questioning things especially as more evidence comes to light.

Even the mainstream media are asking questions.

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Mainstream media??

David Richards is a big data boss. He's got a massive self interest in condemning other people's code and models

 

[Bold Seagull]

Loss of taste and smell just added to the symptoms list in the UK.

Not gone as far as stomach upset though which many countries have added.