Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Bakero]

To be honest, watching that just makes me angry. Maybe his experience has prompted a damascene conversion but I fear not.

 

[Mellotron]

It will also forever be referred to now when the topic of NHS funding or doctors/nurses pay comes up... he’s gonna have to finally back his words up.

This. No going back. Tories will HAVE to become the party of the NHS and the workers, or it’ll be curtains for them.

 

[The Wizard]

18000 confirmed tests, 12776 people tested and 5288 positive tests

 

[jackanada]

Say what you like about Johnson but this is a fantastic speech IMO



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Reminds me of David Cameron using his dead son to shield himself from criticism when he was dismantling the NHS.
I'm glad for anyone who recovers, but if you've spent you're political career looking to end the NHS, when you have cheered cutting nurses pay, when your party suppressed a report into how unprepared the NHS was for a pandemic, when your party refused to sanction even modest stockpiling of essential ppe, when you have ignored WHO recommendations, when you only looked to protect your own citizens so late as to be criminal, when your have ignored even your own experts advice on social distancing and caused a cluster of infection yourself.... and this list really could keep on.... I think it's probably best just to STFU.

 

[Bakero]

I'm glad for anyone who recovers, but if you've spent you're political career looking to end the NHS, when you have cheered cutting nurses pay, when your party suppressed a report into how unprepared the NHS was for a pandemic, when your party refused to sanction even modest stockpiling of essential ppe, when you have ignored WHO recommendations, when you only looked to protect your own citizens so late as to be criminal, when your have ignored even your own experts advice on social distancing and caused a cluster of infection yourself.... and this list really could keep on.... I think it's probably best just to STFU.

This.

 

[RossyG]

...when you have cheered cutting nurses pay...

Go on, I'll bite. When did Boris cheer cutting nurses' pay?

 

[Bodian]

Go on, I'll bite. When did Boris cheer cutting nurses' pay?

Not quite cutting, but in 2017 the Tories loudly cheered when a proposed pay rise for nurses was lost in a Parliament vote - with all but one Tory voting against it.

 

[RossyG]

Not quite cutting, but in 2017 the Tories loudly cheered when a proposed pay rise for nurses was lost in a Parliament vote - with all but one Tory voting against it.

Thanks. So, no pay cut, then. As I thought, the poster was talking nonsense.

And it sounds like the nurses got good pay rises soon after anyway. https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/w...5-over-three-years-under-new-deal-21-03-2018/

Good luck to them. They deserved it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Reminds me of David Cameron using his dead son to shield himself from criticism when he was dismantling the NHS.
I'm glad for anyone who recovers, but if you've spent you're political career looking to end the NHS, when you have cheered cutting nurses pay, when your party suppressed a report into how unprepared the NHS was for a pandemic, when your party refused to sanction even modest stockpiling of essential ppe, when you have ignored WHO recommendations, when you only looked to protect your own citizens so late as to be criminal, when your have ignored even your own experts advice on social distancing and caused a cluster of infection yourself.... and this list really could keep on.... I think it's probably best just to STFU.

This.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thanks. So, no pay cut, then. As I thought, the poster was talking nonsense.

It’s a pay cut in real terms. And it was utterly disgusting to witness.

 

[Mike Small]

Thanks. So, no pay cut, then. As I thought, the poster was talking nonsense.

Yeah why should nurses expect their pay to be in line with inflation, Or matching other public sector workers or even to hold onto the coattails of the continued pay rises in the private sector. What do they do anyway? It's not like it was a pay cut.

The Tory party we're loving it when they won that vote.

 

[RossyG]

It’s a pay cut in real terms. And it was utterly disgusting to witness.

You'd better tell the Nursing Times, then. They were writing about pay rises soon after.

 

[RossyG]

Yeah why should nurses expect their pay to be in line with inflation, Or matching other public sector workers or even to hold onto the coattails of the continued pay rises in the private sector. What do they do anyway? It's not like it was a pay cut.

The Tory party we're loving it when they won that vote.

Going by the Nursing Times articles, they got pay rises that were higher than inflation soon after that vote.

Is that article false? Am I reading it wrong?

 

[LamieRobertson]

Absolutely, I really hope he means it. Maybe this virus will change many people's values for the better

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I think that’s something even the most cynical hope for.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

This. No going back. Tories will HAVE to become the party of the NHS and the workers, or it’ll be curtains for them.

Yep, there’s no chance of him selling anything to the yanks now

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You'd better tell the Nursing Times, then. They were writing about pay rises soon after.

Maybe they subsequently were. But that’s irrelevant as we are talking about the act of cheering and clapping a vote to restrict their pay at a different time.

 

[RossyG]

Maybe they subsequently were. But that’s irrelevant as we are talking about the act of cheering and clapping a vote to restrict their pay at a different time.

It seems that vote was to cut back on certain public sector employees - the top of the pile - who were on too much. If the nurses were caught up in it then they didn't have to wait long to get their pay rises, which is surely the point. And it was the same Tories who arranged that pay rise.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It seems that vote was to cut back on certain public sector employees - the top of the pile - who were on too much. If the nurses were caught up in it then they didn't have to wait long to get their pay rises, which is surely the point. And it was the same Tories who arranged that pay rise.

The point, the one you seem to be repeatedly missing, is the cheering and clapping. I’ve said this three times now; I can’t be arsed to say it again so don’t bother replying to this.

 

[RossyG]

The point, the one you seem to be repeatedly missing, is the cheering and clapping. I’ve said this three times now; I can’t be arsed to say it again.

But that wasn't cheering because they'd specifically cut nurses' wages, was it, which is what the poster asserted?

 

[The Wizard]

I love the captains of hindsight on here, it’s so easy to criticise decisions when you know the outcome, if the government had wasted hundreds of millions on equipment and then this virus hadn’t blown up as it has, I can only imagine the stick they would have got for wasting tax payers money on equipment that would probably have been outdated within a years and binned.

It seems to me, the problems we are facing with regards to equipment are happening in most major countries across Europe are they not?