Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Ernest]

Flights to USA from UK & ROI grounded from Monday.

Going to be a lot of people laid off work soon

 

[atomised]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PLoyalties/status/1238815172652908546/video/1

All well and good but a quick check.of term dates at Eton does confirm the short leave mentioned in the replies being in place across this weekend so it may not be a full picture

 

[Bold Seagull]

Fair enough. We all have different viewpoints. Just that some of us are less willing than others to sacrifice our more vulnerable loved ones, and those of our friends, neighbours and people we never met, on the altar of the ideology of Herd Immunity

Sorry Tom, it’s not a viewpoint, it’s not a choice, you have this conceptually wrong.

The human race has no immunity to this virus, none.
The human race has no medicine to cure this virus.
The human race has no vaccines to prevent this virus.

Herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is the only way millions of people including many of the vulnerable will survive. You make out some of us are less willing - it’s no way to look at it, because every tactic is about slowing the spread, delay the infection rate. BUT every single country, the world in fact is relying on natural immunity to combat this at this point until medicines and vaccines are developed.

Actions of other countries may have consequences for them further down the line. Everything is now about time:

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Sorry Tom, it’s not a viewpoint, it’s not a choice, you have this conceptually wrong.

The human race has no immunity to this virus, none.
The human race has no medicine to cure this virus.
The human race has no vaccines to prevent this virus.

Herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is the only way millions of people including many of the vulnerable will survive. You make out some of us are less willing - it’s no way to look at it, because every tactic is about slowing the spread, delay the infection rate. BUT every single country, the world in fact is relying on natural immunity to combat this at this point until medicines and vaccines are developed.

Actions of other countries may have consequences for them further down the line. Everything is now about time:

You're entitled to your opinion

YAY to our Best Science! Obviously far superior to all of our near neighbouring countries Best Science!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Sorry Tom, it’s not a viewpoint, it’s not a choice, you have this conceptually wrong.

The human race has no immunity to this virus, none.
The human race has no medicine to cure this virus.
The human race has no vaccines to prevent this virus.

Herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is the only way millions of people including many of the vulnerable will survive. You make out some of us are less willing - it’s no way to look at it, because every tactic is about slowing the spread, delay the infection rate. BUT every single country, the world in fact is relying on natural immunity to combat this at this point until medicines and vaccines are developed.

Actions of other countries may have consequences for them further down the line. Everything is now about time:

Exactly. And if we want to go back to the other half of my post from ages back that everyone seems interested in again, I said the best thing to do would be to develop herd immunity, hope we can last out till the summer and work on a vaccine. All of which is happening, precisely because of the above.

It is NOT an option. People need to get real

 

[Guinness Boy]

You're entitled to your opinion

YAY to our Best Science! Obviously far superior to all of our near neighbouring countries Best Science!

Yeah, let's bring in some Italian and Chinese scientists...….

 

[Bold Seagull]

You're entitled to your opinion

YAY to our Best Science! Obviously far superior to all of our near neighbouring countries Best Science!

I think you’re challenging whether our delay tactics go far enough, but you’re confusing that with criticising the overall goal of herd immunity which ultimately the entire world is aiming for. Now whether the UK is doing the right things on delay is a matter of opinion. And maybe they are or aren’t, however as previously said to you, herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is now a necessity.

 

[Ernest]

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[Bold Seagull]

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Irresponsible journalism. Everyone is looking to delay the spread of the virus. This really is just a lack of understanding of a difference in levels of delay. All the UK is doing is a different delay approach to other countries, but ultimately the infection rates of all these other countries are similar. The UK is behind many of them. Every single country is looking to delay infections, but unless you imagine these countries will be locking down for a year or more, then they’re all relying on herd immunity.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I think you’re challenging whether our delay tactics go far enough, but you’re confusing that with criticising the overall goal of herd immunity which ultimately the entire world is aiming for. Now whether the UK is doing the right things on delay is a matter of opinion. And maybe they are or aren’t, however as previously said to you, herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is now a necessity.

Is it bollocks. But then you're alright Jack

 

[Wozza]

Breaking: Italian officials say new coronavirus cases have jumped 20% to more than 21,000

(Several days days after lockdown)

 

[Hugo Rune]

Same as most other countries really

No civilised state allows its country to become saturated with a virus just to build up immunity in the already fit and healthy. You're just condemning large numbers of vulnerable people to death for no good reason a6t all. It's cruel and unneccesary and I for one expect far better from my government

I’m with Farage on this. The New Zealand model (no one allowed in unless 14 days quarantine) would have been my preferred option. But, the government have already, knowingly, let in the Spanish and travellers from northern Italy without screening. It’s too late. It’s out there now and spreading rapidly.

The government will take all the credit if their tactic works

Don’t think for one second that Johnson wasn’t presented with at least three scenarios, all with the financial cost attached. He has clearly chosen the cheapest option but if it works, he’ll be a lot closer to the legendary status of his hero Churchill. If it fails, he and his government should shoulder the blame.

 

[Guinness Boy]

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Ah. A tweet from a non scientist. How sweet.

 

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Breaking: Italian officials say new coronavirus cases have jumped 20% to more than 21,000

(Several days days after lockdown)

Not really a surprise, many of the newly diagnosed would have been exposed around a week ago or possibly more. When did Italy go into full lock down?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Is it bollocks. But then you're alright Jack

Well no as it happens. But decided to keep an open mind and look at the overall science rather than the sound bites.

 

[Driver8]

I think you’re challenging whether our delay tactics go far enough, but you’re confusing that with criticising the overall goal of herd immunity which ultimately the entire world is aiming for. Now whether the UK is doing the right things on delay is a matter of opinion. And maybe they are or aren’t, however as previously said to you, herd immunity isn’t a choice, it is now a necessity.

What delay tactics? Wash your hands and stay at home if you are unwell seems to be the limit of it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What delay tactics? Wash your hands and stay at home if you are unwell seems to be the limit of it.

As part of a plan based on reducing the curve. You know their are further stages to their plan that they presented on Thursday? Are people seriously not digging into things further than headlines and sound bites?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

From the BBC Liveblog

"A group of Dutch scientists believe they’ve found an antibody that could help to detect and prevent the coronavirus from being able to infect people.
It hasn’t been tested on humans - a process that will take months.
The researchers at the Erasmus Medical Centre and Utrecht University describe their discovery as an antibody to Sars2, the coronavirus causing the current pandemic (Covid-19).
The scientists were already working on an antibody for Sars1 and when the new coronavirus broke out, they said they had found that the same antibodies cross-reacted and blocked the infection.
Their findings are still being reviewed and the antibody is yet to be rigorously tested.
The researchers are hoping to convince a pharmaceutical company to support its mass production as a medicine which they believe would detect and prevent the spread of the virus."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51886497

I've seen some reference to older people taking chloroquine for rheumatoid arthritis having some resistance to this virus, which is being investigated.
I hope it is true because I take hydroxychloroquine for my auto immune disease.

 

[Mackenzie]

Anyone on here infected with this yet?

 

[Higham Seagull Army]

After having to shop this afternoon due lack of sport , i can only deduce that the cure for this virus is hiding somewhere in a packet of loo roll.