Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Stat Brother]

And for a lot of people it is......

Arteta is feeling considerably better already.

 

[sparkie]

There is no other strategy. All any government has is delay, that’s all it is. You’re holding on to a precept that the virus can be stopped. It can’t, it can only be delayed and with delay you hope you’re better placed to cope. Our old folks lives are at risk whether next month or next year from this virus. Hopefully it will be spread out enough for them.

Well, except the strategy that pretty much every other country has adopted.

Our medical advice is different to the advice to other Governments around the world.

Something isn't right.

Is our medical officer either (1) a genius, (2) being leaned on from above, (c) a fraud, or (d) a psychopath ?

 

[knocky1]

No idea why we were excluded to start off with.

Oh, wait, yes I do - because Trump is ****ing mental.

Ireland and UK originally excluded. Where is Trump Turnberry Resort and Golf Course? Where is Trump Resort Dunbeg Hotel and Golf Course?

 

[Nobby]

Herd Immunity, if that is indeed the UK Govt's preferred tactic, is utterly inhumane and should be slapped down by the populace earlydoors

Bit late now Tom

Some part of me thinks that a government who appoints an advisor who advocates eugenics, possibly doesn’t care about its populace as much as other governments.

Just can’t help getting political, but politics is all about the lives of its citizens

Hopefully I and some others will still be able to post on here next season still slagging off Bor*s. (Although we cant blame him personally for the desperate shortage of critical care facilities).

Now who was it again that has been in power for quite a while now?

 

[Swansman]

No idea why we were excluded to start off with.

Oh, wait, yes I do - because Trump is ****ing mental.

Tbf he said he was adviced by "experts" not to include the UK. Probably some economical reason behind it.

 

[pb21]

........so we let it run to allow the 70% immunity to develop?

Well exactly, I would really hope that's not the least worst option.

 

[Nobby]

And for a lot of people it is......

Don’t rise to it.....

Don’t rise to it.....

Don’t rise to it.....




Aaaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!!!!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What’s your preferred tactic?

Same as most other countries really

No civilised state allows its country to become saturated with a virus just to build up immunity in the already fit and healthy. You're just condemning large numbers of vulnerable people to death for no good reason a6t all. It's cruel and unneccesary and I for one expect far better from my government

 

[Nobby]

Well, except the strategy that pretty much every other country has adopted.

Our medical advice is different to the advice to other Governments around the world.

Something isn't right.

Is our medical officer either (1) a genius, (2) being leaned on from above, (c) a fraud, or (d) a psychopath ?

We have less critical care beds than most developed countries. Can’t for the life of me (sic) work out why that is, but it’s true.

So this survival of the fittest plan is probably all they can do.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well, except the strategy that pretty much every other country has adopted.

Our medical advice is different to the advice to other Governments around the world.

Something isn't right.

Is our medical officer either (1) a genius, (2) being leaned on from above, (c) a fraud, or (d) a psychopath ?

It’s the same tactic just different levels of delay. Shutting schools, airports etc. are delay measures. You’re seeing it as everyone is almost doing the same thing apart from us - that’s simply not true, there are various differences depending on all sorts of factors.

If you don’t feel we’re doing enough right now that’s fine, and an opinion, but ultimately the infection is going to spread, it is all about slowing it as much as possible. Other countries are also at different points in their curves, and also very different in their political thinking. Trump for example is just trying to demonstrate power and control, there’s nothing to say his measures will have much impact in the US.

 

[sparkie]

Same as most other countries really No civilised state allows its country to become saturated with a virus just to build up immunity in the already fit and healthy. You're just condemning large numbers of vulnerable people to death for no good reason at at all. It's cruel and unneccesary and I for one expect far better from my government

Absolutely. It is in plain sight before our eyes.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Arteta is feeling considerably better, already.

Brighton super spreader recovered in a couple of days, lots of people likely to have had it with mild to unnoticeable symptoms.

The early days of this thread were when the majority of cases were in Wuhan. Now, I've lived in Tapei and travelled to China and it is not anywhere near what the UK conditions are. The Chinese are frequent spitters and the conditions in the wet markets where covid-19 started are disgusting. As cities have grown exponentially, and it being communist, everyone lives in flats. In fact, it was well noted that the difference between Taiwanese and Chinese apartment blocks were that the Taiwanese looked horrible from the outside but were really nice once you were in, whereas the Chinese looked new from the outside but were already a wreck in reality. Everything in China is managed by "the party" so your actual standards of pretty much everything are down to the ability of the official or officials the party give you.

In such conditions it's perfectly reasonable to assume the effect of something like this is greater in China than it would be here. Not to mention that the last two panic "pandemics" - bird and swine flu - were cases of crying wolf and nowhere near as bad as they were first portrayed. I can remember being in the Taipei office during bird flu and one of the Canadians I worked with parading around a packet of Tamiflu she smuggled in like it was a ****ing golden egg. She never used it.

On the other hand a guy very similar to me living in a Brighton and Hove semi, being reasonably fit and having a decent job recovered in a day or two. So, yes, all the above was factored in to a statement that turned out to be partially incorrect, something I admitted well over a week ago. Nice that some on NSC still think this is a good opportunity to score petty points though.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Don’t rise to it.....

Don’t rise to it.....

Don’t rise to it.....




Aaaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!!!!

And for some people it's obviously somewhere between fatal and horrific. Do we really have to bounce every stage of every post? Or maybe we could look for a decent solution instead?

 

[Eeyore]

'Everyone who comes into contact with President Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence will have their temperature checked, the White House spokesperson Judd Deere says.'



Fill yer boots...

 

[Bold Seagull]

Same as most other countries really

No civilised state allows its country to become saturated with a virus just to build up immunity in the already fit and healthy. You're just condemning large numbers of vulnerable people to death for no good reason a6t all. It's cruel and unneccesary and I for one expect far better from my government

That’s all that is happening? Different levels of delay leading to herd immunity. When you say most other countries, you mean ones with far higher cases and deaths than us so far - those countries?

You seem to think they’re saving the vulnerable? I think everyone is trying to spread the infection out to save as many as they can. We seem to have delayed it more effectively than many countries at present. If you think draconian shut down measures will work, how long for? What are the implications for the vulnerable then? If only for say a month, what then, the virus will still be out there.

You’ve not offered an alternative tactic, just other delaying measures. The vulnerable are still at the same risk.

 

[rogersix]

Same as most other countries really

No civilised state allows its country to become saturated with a virus just to build up immunity in the already fit and healthy. You're just condemning large numbers of vulnerable people to death for no good reason a6t all. It's cruel and unneccesary and I for one expect far better from my government

an elitist, tory government?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Flights to USA from UK & ROI grounded from Monday.

 

[Bedsex]

I found this YouTube video which gives a visual demonstration of bozza’s bucket and bath analogy.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

That’s all that is happening? Different levels of delay leading to herd immunity. When you say most other countries, you mean ones with far higher cases and deaths than us so far - those countries?

You seem to think they’re saving the vulnerable? I think everyone is trying to spread the infection out to save as many as they can. We seem to have delayed it more effectively than many countries at present. If you think draconian shut down measures will work, how long for? What are the implications for the vulnerable then? If only for say a month, what then, the virus will still be out there.

You’ve not offered an alternative tactic, just other delaying measures. The vulnerable are still at the same risk.

Fair enough. We all have different viewpoints. Just that some of us are less willing than others to sacrifice our more vulnerable loved ones, and those of our friends, neighbours and people we never met, on the altar of the ideology of Herd Immunity

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

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