Lewes Road Garden

[Deleted User X18H]

Jesus f***ing wept

Look the fact is the owners of the site, the people who have stumped up the cash to buy it want to see a return on their investment. You cannot just rock up and claim something as your own because you have current possession of it, albeit by squatting. Not even in liberalist Brighton.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

I live close to this garden and I hate it.

There are Drunks and Junkies in there as I have been harassed whilst using the cashpoint and have watched them all stumbling around it numerous times.

a point made earlier was that this garden is in an area where a lot of people don't have gardens - pretty much every property has a garden around there.

another thing that annoys me is the bike train (which was created by these hippies) - theres a bloody bike lane on lewes road so why do these people need to take up a lane of traffic too? what would you do if you were on a park and ride to Falmer on the first day of the season and theres a huge traffic jame caused by this?

The idea of the garden is a nice one but they really have no right to be on that land and should just move when asked to and perhaps instead of spending all day in a garden get a job so that they can eventually buy a property with a garden of their own.

100% spot on Steward.

 

[Gwylan]

another thing that annoys me is the bike train (which was created by these hippies) - theres a bloody bike lane on lewes road so why do these people need to take up a lane of traffic too? what would you do if you were on a park and ride to Falmer on the first day of the season and theres a huge traffic jame caused by this?

It's because there are cars permanently parked in the cycle lane so bikes have to pull out into the main road. The obstruction of the cycle lane has been highlighted by at least two councillors, one of them Tory, but the council has said it will do nothing to stop car drivers parking there.
Consquently, the bike train has been organised as means of helping nervous cyclists negotiate the Lewes Road.

Although I've never used the bike train, I think it's a great idea and, like the Lewes Road garden itself, is a great example of the community spirit that Buzzer was talking about.

 

[Buzzer]

I live close to this garden and I hate it.

There are Drunks and Junkies in there as I have been harassed whilst using the cashpoint and have watched them all stumbling around it numerous times.

a point made earlier was that this garden is in an area where a lot of people don't have gardens - pretty much every property has a garden around there.

another thing that annoys me is the bike train (which was created by these hippies) - theres a bloody bike lane on lewes road so why do these people need to take up a lane of traffic too? what would you do if you were on a park and ride to Falmer on the first day of the season and theres a huge traffic jame caused by this?

The idea of the garden is a nice one but they really have no right to be on that land and should just move when asked to and perhaps instead of spending all day in a garden get a job so that they can eventually buy a property with a garden of their own.

The bike train (lane?) is irrelevant to this discussion. All it seems to do is show a bit of prejudice to supposed hippies but I've already told you. I use the garden regularly and seldom meet any crusties. Just local residents - many of them old people.

As for every home has a garden - are you kidding? Where? Go on GoogleMaps and show me because most of the houses around there (incl mine) have front doors straight onto the street and most people have postcard sized back gardens if at all. The level of multiple occupancy houses is also very significant for that area. This is why the garden is so popular.

As for drunks and junkies - they tend to stay up towards the level end of Lewes Road, they don't need to come up to our end as the dealers all seem to sell their stuff at St Peters Place and the junkies by and large use the level. I suspect that the drunks you've seen are students. I can honestly say that I rarely, if ever get accosted by them at the Nat West or Co-op cashpoint.

 

[Brovion]

I must admit that after Falmer I said I'd always side with developers in the constant battle against those who want to make Brighton either a twee museum piece or keep it as a decaying slum. I despise those who oppose a development on the grounds that it's not 100% ideal and think that endlessly argung about it for decades whilst the city falls to pieces around them is better than having bad or inappropriate development.

BUT.... this is not one of those times. This isn't Jubilee Street where it stood empty for decades, this is a piece of land that has been put to good effect by the local community. And as has been pointed out the LAST thing that area needs is another little supermarket.

The Council have got to have a bit of balls and tell Tescos to f*** off. Let them sell it for flats or something, but not another supermarket.

 

[The Large One]

100% spot on Steward.

Good grief - a person who makes a habit of dealing in ignorance and prejudice siding with another. He is very far from 100% spot on, and your ignorance of the area and the people running this garden show this.

Notwithstanding the fact it's Tesco shitting themselves about a small community not giving them any money due to their absence from the area, the garden that has been built, well... works. There is another site round the corner, also formerly a petrol station, in Hollingdean Road which could do with some people livening it up and freshening it up, although it wouldn't have the same impact as the one on Lewes Road.

If the community is as organised as Buzzer implies, I can see a boycott of the Tesco store happening should it get built.

 

[Buzzer]

Good grief - a person who makes a habit of dealing in ignorance and prejudice siding with another. He is very far from 100% spot on, and your ignorance of the area and the people running this garden show this.

It seems to be a Pavlovian reaction from HB&B. He sees the words Caroline and Lucas and feels the need to rubbish anything she is associated with. I'm getting close to plonking him on ignore.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

It seems to be a Pavlovian reaction from HB&B. He sees the words Caroline and Lucas and feels the need to rubbish anything she is associated with. I'm getting close to plonking him on ignore.

My entire point is unless you wholly own the site then you can not expect to have any influence as to who it is sold to.

 

[Joe Pineapples]

They're occupying it illegally. End of.

 

[The Large One]

It seems to be a Pavlovian reaction from HB&B. He sees the words Caroline and Lucas and feels the need to rubbish anything she is associated with. I'm getting close to plonking him on ignore.

I've only just read the story (although I knew the gist of it beforehand). I actually posted that stuff about the boycott before I read it [the story].

But yes, HB&B's auto-reaction to things he doesn't understand in an area he doesn't know about people he has nothing to do with is getting monotonous.

 

[Buzzer]

They're occupying it illegally. End of.

Not true. Far from the end of. This is squatting with a moral conscience. We don't need another Tescos. Someone needs to take a stand.

Good luck to them.

 

[The Large One]

They're occupying it illegally. End of.

Only 'sort of'. Not 'end of'.

They have an agreement with the owners (who, incidentally, are not Tesco) that they can stay on site until a given point. Whether that point has been reached is for the courts to decide.

 

[Nibble]

Just looked at some pics, it does actually look quite nice but you can get cheap food and variety at Tesco so that gets my vote!

 

[Gwylan]

They're occupying it illegally. End of.

What law has been broken?

 

[Buzzer]

My entire point is unless you wholly own the site then you can not expect to have any influence as to who it is sold to.

Then you understand nothing.

Here you go for starters:

Stakeholder Theory

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Not true. Far from the end of. This is squatting with a moral conscience. We don't need another Tescos. Someone needs to take a stand.

Good luck to them.

You cannot just squat in a property in modern Britain. No another Tesco's is not needed in that area. So go through the proper procedures and make objections to the relevant authorities don't just occupy something that doesn't belong to you.

This is exactly what many peopled feared when we were saddleD with a Green MP.

Anarchy throughout the town and lawless conurbation, supported by a frankly worthless MP.

 

[Scampi]

The thing which annoys me about Timmy on this thread (apart from the usual) is that his small minded toryism is the sort that is always banging on about the breakdown of society and "broken britain" yet when you can give good examples if communities coming together to improve their local area all he can do is sneer and call people names.

 

[The Large One]

You cannot just squat in a property in modern Britain. No another Tesco's is not needed in that area. So go through the proper procedures and make objections to the relevant authorities don't just occupy something that doesn't belong to you.

This is exactly what many peopled feared when we were saddleD with a Green MP.

Anarchy throughout the town and lawless conurbation, supported by a frankly worthless MP.

Is it imperative that you have to prove that you don't know what you're on about every time you post?

Or are you really just a total cock?

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Is it imperative that you have to prove that you don't know what you're on about every time you post?

Or are you really just a total cock?

Cock? Oh lunch time is it?

 

[Gwylan]

The thing which annoys me about Timmy on this thread (apart from the usual) is that his small minded toryism is the sort that is always banging on about the breakdown of society and "broken britain" yet when you can give good examples if communities coming together to improve their local area all he can do is sneer and call people names.

It's also very much against CMD's vision. For better of worse, Cameron spent a good part of the period before the election talking about how communities could come together for the common good. While the Lewes Road garden isn't really what he had in mind, it's probably not that far removed from Cameron's vision of Toryism.

And why the digs at Caroline Lucas? The community garden was there months before she was elected. I'm not even sure that she is the MP for that area - the Kemp Town Labour Party office used to be virtually opposite that site (although I admit the boundary could have changed since then).